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May 17, 2006
Who Are The Chico Greenline Coalition?
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| Who are the Chico Greenline Coalition? Their material describes them as a group of neighbors that got together to protect the greenline (the fixed agricultural-urban boundary for the City of Chico). But the first thing I noticed was that they didn't list "Commission Impossible" as one of the important local issue blogs on their web site. I had to delve deeper. |
| I looked at their web site, www.chicogreenline.com.
It's a nice site, but it was really familiar. So I looked at Maureen Kirk's
web site (www.maureenkirk.com). After going back and forth between the
two it was pretty clear that they share a lot of the of the same content. Even the Chico Greenline mailer uses the same quotes and images from the Kirk web site. The sites seem to be based on one another. Below I show a couple of examples, there are more. Go look for them, it's pretty fun. But also the name on the endorsement letter was very unique. Who is Tovey Giezentanner? I did a Google of "Tovey Giezentanner Chico" and came up with a web site for a Sacramento based PR company called Wilson Miller Communications. From the web site "At Wilson-Miller Communications, we provide a full range of executive-level consulting and communications strategies, specializing in corporate communications, issues management, crisis management and political campaign management and strategy." The Tovey Giezentanner from Wilson-Miller lives in Davis (from the web site), so he's "kind-of" a neighbor. I don't think the Greenline stretches that far, but what do I know. Maybe the Chico Greenline Coalition is real. I hope it's not some PR firm from Sacramento trying to play us rubes in Chico. That's pretty lame. Whether the Greenline Coalition is valid or not, they are getting pretty close to violating regulations of the Fair Political Practices Commission. Political Action Committees (PACs) cannot work in concert with candidates. Sharing content and republishing material from a campaign source is pretty close to doing so. If these are really local folks, then maybe they just made a mistake. They should get a digital camera and quit stealing Maureen's web site images. If it's an out of town PR firm then they should have listed my blog as one of the local sources. Then I would have figured they were good guys and not tried to learn more about them. Then all ya'all kin-folk of mine never woodah gessed that them-all greenliners wernt fer-reel. |
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Posted by Lon at May 17, 2006 12:32 AM
Comments
Several of the websites in Chico that are part of the interlocking monolithic left-wing were in the past designed by http://www.iris-software.com/ which is run by a former board member of Butte Environmental Council (I can't quite remember his name right now). He endorsed the Annie Bidwell Trail, but then reneged on his endorsement (as did Maureen Kirk, Scott Gruendl, John Merz, and John Ost)when monolithic Chico left-wing group think moved from being pro-recreation to anti-recreation about 5 years ago.
He does nice work. But the effect is to exaggerate the power of his clients (which is the point with any establishment activist, no?).
Posted by: Michael Jones at May 17, 2006 06:02 AM
I still can't remember his name, but in looking for it I noticed the similarity in design of the following websites: Butte Enviromental Council, Sacramento River Preservation Trust, Big Chico Creek Watershed Alliance, Esplanade League.
He's a talented fellow, and makes it seem like a whole team of voters his on his side. I wish I had somebody this influential advocating for trails.
Posted by: Michael Jones at May 17, 2006 06:30 AM
The Iris web site looks tlike it's being rebuilt. If they did the Kirk and Greenline sites maybe they liked the orchard photos so much they decided to use them on their own site;)
If it's an out-of- town PR firm trying to play with our local elections then I'm going to be bothered by it.
And, by the way, I live near the greenline and like it very much. I think we should paint a big green line on the ground wherever it is. It could be like the Freedom Trail in Boston, which I'm going to go see in 2 days.
Maybe I could join the group if it ends up being a real organization, and not just an election schill.
Posted by: Lon at May 17, 2006 06:41 AM
The fellow who does all those websites mentioned is Chuck Lundgren and I agree he's talented at web design. He does live in Chico. I've met him and he's also written several letters to the editor.
Posted by: Anthony Watts at May 17, 2006 07:03 AM
The Greenline was Supervisor Jane Dolan's greatest accomplishment. There was a long article in the Los Angeles Times back in the 1970's when I was in (or truant often) high school in LA featuring Dolan (also Tom Hayden and the Campaign of Economic Democracy).
I very strongly support the Greenline, that's why the decision with regard to Bidwell Ranch (which is not ag land, and is not foothills) was so shortsighted by the current liberal majority on Council.
Posted by: Michael Jones at May 17, 2006 10:00 AM
I too support the green line. I'm not sure who doesn't.
But to be honest, other than a few looks at a map I've never paid much attention to it.
I just noticed the post on Josh Cook's blog and followed it. When I tried to figure out who they were I couldn't see any names until I looked at the endorsement letter on Maureen's site.
When I checked to see who that was the only link was the PR firm in Sacto. That made me wonder if it was even real.
Apparently someone from the group reads the blogs. If you're a voting member of the Chico Greenline Coalition drop me an email or post here so we can learn more about your group.
Posted by: Lon at May 17, 2006 10:11 AM
Tovey Giezentanner here:
- I no longer live in Davis. I live in Chico w/ my wife, Stacey. We both grew up in Chico, moved away and returned last August to raise a family.
- I no longer work for Wilson-Miller Communications. I worked w/ WM on one client last year, but no longer work for that firm on that client. I own a public relations firm. From my office in Chico, I work on a number of land-use related issues in the greater Sacramento region.
- The Chico Greenline Coalition is a local, primarily formed recipient committee. I have a copy of my 410 and will share w/ anyone who is interested. Coordination between committees is allowed, according to my treasurer Bell, McAndrews & Hiltachk.
- I redesigned Maureen's site for her as an in-kind contribution and am willing to share my letter to that effect, if anyone is interested.
- I have a personal interest in the Greenline. my wife's parents live adjacent to the greenline on the northwest side of town and I have been watching the issue for at least 2 years, now.
- In 2004, neighbors in NW chico sponsored a meeting on the greenline to hear from Jane and Maureen.
- In 2005, more neighbors sponsored another meeting on the greenlie to hear from the farm bureau and jane.
- the greenline is under enormous pressure. all it takes to break the greenline is a majority vote at LAFCO and a majority vote at either the City of Chico or Butte County.
- the greenline protects valuable farmland and is an important part of what makes Chico unique...working orchards and farmland 2 miles from downtown.
- finally, as previously mentioned, i grew up in chico and i care about this community and its future.
if you have more questions or would like more info about the greenline, please feel free to contact me at: tovey@giezentanner.com or on my cell at 916-801-0344.
Thanks for the opportunity to correct the record a bit.
Posted by: Tovey Giezentanner at May 18, 2006 03:22 PM
The Chico Greenline Coalition website was up long before "last August". It is a Jane Dolan front. If you have the time track Dolan's money.
Posted by: pypr at May 18, 2006 05:10 PM
to pypr:
So...no one else but Jane Dolan can care for the greenline, right?
btw, pypr, who are you? if you are going to throw bombs at people, why don't you let us know who you really are?
Posted by: Tovey at May 18, 2006 05:43 PM
oh, and btw, my apologies for failing to include Commission Impossible on the list of blogs at www.chicogreenline.com. i've corrected that error.
Bloggers note: How could you have missed it to begin with :). I left the office and forgot to post a comment from Tovey chastising Pypr for not using his/her real name. Darn you Pypr.
Personally I have no problem with people using "screen names", it's still an opinion.
Posted by: Tovey Giezentanner at May 18, 2006 06:19 PM
Surly the irony of Kirk bragging on this Greenline Coalition endorsement has not escaped you guys? Supervisors are supposed to represent districts. The Greenline is in the 2nd supe district. The GL is all about “saving� the 2nd supe district from development by forcing new growth to occur in the 3rd supe district. Do you think that the people in Cal Park wouldn’t rather break the GL than to have high-dencity developments in their backyards? Do you think existing 3rd district homeowners like seeing their established neighborhoods sub-divided? Heck, I live in the 3rd and don’t know anyone who wouldn’t rather see all new development go over there rather than here. This endorsement just means Kirk has promised to “protect� her 2nd district supporters by selling out the 3rd district homeowners.
Posted by: pypr at May 18, 2006 06:33 PM
So you are local Tovey? 916-801-0344? Er, the area code for Chico is 530.
Of course locals know that pypr is John Gillander. Didn't Bob Mulholland tell you about local Republicans when he hired you to front the Greenline Coalition PAC?
PYPR Inc, Protect Your Property Rights is a 501 c 4 CA corp founded in Nevada County by Drew Bedwell. I am Chair of the BoD. John
Posted by: pypr at May 19, 2006 12:45 PM
Tovey writes: “according to my treasurer Bell, McAndrews & Hiltachk.� Pure falderal. Local liberal PAC doesn’t use Sacramento legal “firms� as treasure. Least of al that one! Locals will remember the Charles H. Bell, Jr. of that firm because he represented the majority of the BC Board of Supes in the redistricting fiasco. They are astoturff. Bell, McAndrews & Hiltachk are a Republican political law firm, old tovey is trying to put out a false image, just like Kirk. David Reade uses Bell.
Posted by: pypr at May 19, 2006 02:05 PM
Chico is going to grow, that's a given. And land around here could get even more pricey, hard too imagine I know, given the inflated prices already! However, this is exactly why we have so much pressure on farm land by subdividers.
Sadly, once that good soil is gone to housing there's no coming back and we're losing too much high quality farm land to developers; at the same time we are under utilizing poorer grades of land where the snail darter lives, because the au natural guys want it to stay that way.
It's an unfortunate tug of war between two worthy adversaries, only the enviromentalists are more rabid about their cause than the struggling farmers who often cave in to developers. So, the ol green line (throughout California) keeps getting pushed and pushed and pushed!
One of these days we'll wake up and realize what we've done to ourselves, hopefully it won't take a food crisis to do it.
As for Kirk, she's supposed to represent ALL the people fairly in a non-partisan way (I agree with Pypr), not just her special interests backers on the left.
This got her and the City in trouble when she voted in lock step with her lefty backers and against what I feel was the the majority opinion in Chico.
I fear this leftwing bias will be even worse if she makes Supervisor and joins up with Dolan. Don't get me wrong, I think Kirk is a nice lady in most respects, she very likable, except she owes too much to the extreme left who are pushing her candidacy. I would rather somebody more independant thinking get elected to Supervisor.
Posted by: Jack Lee at May 22, 2006 08:39 AM
hey Tovey, you told me YOU lived adjacent to the Green Line, now it's your wife's parents? Hey, better watch your step sweetie, you're likely to slip up in your own b******t - Juanita Sumner
Posted by: Juanita Sumner at May 24, 2006 01:55 PM




