Posted by Tina
As we head into the election season it would be smart to keep in mind the motivations behind the ideas and utterings of our progressive friends. I decided it might be of interest to consider the definition of a word. This is a word that is at the heart of progressive thought. It lays the foundation for progressive policy. Get to know this word so that when you hear the lovely promises of hope and change you will not be fooled by the pretty sounding words. The real objective is:
collectivism:
1 a : a politico-economic system characterized by collective control especially over production and distribution of goods and services in contrast to free enterprise *forces that have led to individualism have in the last fifty years been successfully opposed by the forces of collectivism— M.R.Cohen* b : extreme control of the economic, political, and social life of its subjects by an authoritarian state (as under communism or fascism) c : a doctrine or system that makes the group or the state actively responsible for the social and economic welfare of its members
2 : a social theory or doctrine that emphasizes the importance of the collective (as the society or state) in contrast to the individual and that tends to analyze society in terms of collective behavior
Pay attention as you hear the candidates speak of their plans for America...vote wisely in November.
That's all very idealistically dreadful, but your going to have trouble selling the dread to any wage slave who's looked at the cost of health insurance premiums lately.
Collectivism has its uses, very valuable uses.
Sorry, Libby, but you just shot yourself in the foot. If you want to talk about slavery, consider the massive amount of wages which are taken by the government. Even the money taken for the right things is often wasted due to inefficient bureaucrats and lifetime employees who know that they will get you money -- and you want to let them take over your health care, too . . ?
I guess that collectivism is another word for "check your brain at the door!"
Collectivism is the underlying belief system that lead to intrusive legislation and government programs that are the cause of rising healthcare costs and unaffordable insurances.
And you want to give us more...what incredible reasoning...are you a lefty GloWarm scientist?
Since I am one of the "Wage Slaves" which Libby seeks to rule. Yes, Libby, I have looked at the cost of Health Care. I pay it every month. But we here in the wage slave quarters are petrified to think of the rise in cost and the decline in service when you socialists run it. How come when it comes to abortion, you want to run your own life and have me run mine, but in all other aspects you seem to want to dictate?
How about getting some of the trial lawyers, you libs seem to love, in check with some tort reform.
Sorry guys. Kaiser (collectivism in action) pays way less for all the drugs they provide to their patients, cause they get one hell of a volume discount; they can pit one vendor against another and say: "make me an offer." Individual consumers pay top dollar (unless they go to Canada). These are facts. Counter them with other facts ... if you can.
Interesting! You are describing the so-called "unfair business practice" of the big box stores you progressives so despise.
It has nothing to do with "collectivism" which is: a politico-economic system characterized by collective control especially over production and distribution of goods and services in contrast to free enterprise
Individual consummers can go to WalMart if they so desire for the same kind of deal. They also don't have to if they don't want to. They have a choice because of free enterprise. In a collective you don't have that choice.
We've been through this Kaiser thing before, yes?
"You are describing the so-called "unfair business practice" of the big box stores you progressives so despise."
I most certainly am not! People pooling their money to provide themselves healthcare as efficiently at possible is positively not the same thing as 'ol Walmart sucking the life out of our beloved small town America. It positively is not!
It's a bottom-up versus top-down thing. Walmart is positively top-down. Because as soon as it's sucked the life out of a small American downtown, it can charge anything it wants for milk and, in consequence of its shareholders' voracious lust for profit, it does, and it has corrupted our culture into the bargain.
Geez.
There is no profit motive at all to Kaiser, no incentive to take in more money than it needs to provide services. Nor does it have any incentive to sell people stuff they don't need just to generate capital. I mean, think it through.
Where collectivism falls down is in its administration, those splendidly inept human beings again. The fact is that Kaiser made some very poor business decisions back in the '80s, which did put them into the hands of those dreaded venture capitalists, in case anybody was wondering about those very high premiums. But we're just going to keep practicing until we get it right.
Your words Libby, not mine: "...cause they get one hell of a volume discount; they can pit one vendor against another and say: "make me an offer."
That my dear is a business practice! Not all business men "pit one against the other," as your weasely liberal mind puts it, but simply ask for bids and take the best deal that's offered.
Your memory is also quite short. Kaiser is not funded entirely by individuals pooling their money. It was started by a businessman and a doctor...remember, I posted the story on Post Scripts the last time we had this discussion? A lot of old man Kaiser's personal wealth went into making this dream a reality. A lot of big companies...Lockheed for instance, have paid the bill for their employees. Liberaal ideas have taken it down the path to unworkability.
When companies and institutions must make a profit in order to to survive (competition) they care about waste...they are answerable to the consumer...and costs remain low. throw government and collectivism into the mix and it all goes to "Helena Handbasket" as we udsed to say in Montana.
"It's a bottom-up versus top-down thing. Walmart is positively top-down. Because as soon as it's sucked the life out of a small American downtown, it can charge anything it wants for milk and, in consequence of its shareholders' voracious lust for profit, it does, and it has corrupted our culture into the bargain."
Horse Hockey!
The idea that WalMart is soley responsible for downtowns across America losing business is absurd. It's been happening to downtowns since the seventies at least. I know, I had a sho in a small downtown. Downtowns are slowly becoming a thing of the past...it will one day happen to Big Box stores too. The internet will probably add to their demise, at least as physical buildings. We no longer travel by wagon train either. We no longer wash our clothing by pouding them on rocks. It's a natural progression (funny how that word, when used in a certain context, works). People have to make adjustments right? They have to make do...they have to do what they need to to survive...as individuals...by choice. (campaigns by raging leftists trying to run others out of town is not the American way...it is rather mild form of terrorism where anger and vilification is used to coerce, destroy, or control.
Dang! If I can get you to defend WalMart, I can do anything!
The power's goin' to me head.
Yes, yes...Libby the all powerful, all knowing...Puppetmaster! I 'spose you have only one eye in that ever expanding head.
Don't forget though, "power corrupts" and Puppetmaster power corrupts absolutely!