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July 28, 2008
Church Shooting - Hatred Against Liberals
Posted by Jack
Tennessee church shooting blamed on a mentally unbalanced man with a hatred for liberals. The shooting took place at the Unitarian Universalist Church during a childrens musical. No children were hurt, but as of today two adults were killed and at least 9 others were wounded.
Posted by Post Scripts at July 28, 2008 09:10 AM
Comments
Maybe he's been reading Tina's comments too much.
Posted by: Quentin--The Uncomfortable Truth at July 28, 2008 11:05 AM
Well if he is guilty, throw the book at him.
Then find something heavier.
Posted by: Nick Freitas at July 28, 2008 11:35 AM
This man is a deranged criminal. His actions are absolutely abhorent and unacceptable.
Quentin is one of the "nice" people. You know, the ones who consider themselves to be so inclusive and accepting of all people and points of view that no one would ever doubt their love of others. He'd never leap to a rediculous conclusion, for instance, and I'm sure he can distinguish between a crazed nutcase and a person with an opinion who is willing to voice that opinion. He's not suggesting that anyone should be silenced...
Now that we've both had fun with snide remarks would you do us a favor, Quentin?
Please tell us what you think I'm saying that would incite someone to murder innocent people in a random act of violence. Do a good job and I'll make it a feature story. Just post it to my attention.
Posted by: Tina at July 28, 2008 12:32 PM
Maybe somebody in that church should have been packing some heat just in case? It's a dangerous and crazy world.
And speaking of "unarmed" liberals being easy targets, maybe they should be re-thinking their position on anti-gun laws. Lot of crazies and criminals running around and those folks don't really care about gun laws do they?
Imagine what those Arab hijackers with their box knives would have thought if we had American's checking their "travel" handguns through as they borded the planes. And if they tried it too..."Sorry Sir, but you can't carry that pistol on board, that's a privilage reserved ONLY for authorized American citizens and you're NOT even an American citizen! Now, you're welcome to carry that little box knife if it makes you feel better. But, just remember if you try anything with that lil gadget 2/3rds of the passengers are packing everything from .380 autos to .44 magnums."
(Now that's my vision of America!)
You can't expect the police to always be there to protect you, but at least they'll always be around to investigate after you're dead....I guess that should be some consolation.
Maybe the liberals haven't heard but the place with the strictest anti-guns laws is Washington DC and it's no coincidence they also have the highest homicide rate, robberies and muggings are off the charts in DC!
From 1996 to 2006 Washington DC lost well over 5000 citizens to murder, (more than we've lost in Iraq) not to mention all those who were wounded.
The numerous liberal candle light vigils and liberal memorial quilts apparently have had no measurable impact on that murder rate.
Posted by: Jack at July 28, 2008 01:44 PM
And what made him deranged, do you suppose? His godawful world view, perhaps? Of course, unemployment will do it to you to.
But I'll be danged if I can remember any time, at all, ever, that a professed tax-and-spend liberal shot up a congregation.
Posted by: Libby at July 28, 2008 02:42 PM
Tina this is the same man that told the father of a soldier serving in Iraq, that he hoped it didn't take the death of his son, to realize that the war was a mistake.
This is the same man who stated that only someone who didn't understand Christianity could be a conservative, and then gave no defense of his statement.
That kind of hubris, is disturbing to say the least.
A fact made all the more disturbing when taking into account that this man is a teacher.
Is critical thinking no longer in vogue in the university setting Quentin?
Has it been entirely subverted by arrogance and sarcasm? Hit and run comments passed off as deep intellectual banter?
Is there nothing to be said for intellectual honesty and logic? Or are you of the opinion that there are no objective morale values? That morality and truth are relative?
You owe Tina an apology.
I know we get rough around here, and that is fine, but you are completely devoid of tact.
Posted by: Nick Freitas at July 28, 2008 03:32 PM
"And what made him deranged, do you suppose? His godawful world view, perhaps?"
Progressives just can't bring themselves to hold the person responsible for his own actions. it's easier to blame his mom and dad or his lousy boss or some other societal evil. If you let them off the hook then maybe they'll do the same for you. My guess is that trade off makes it possible to never have to confront your own shorcomings...but that's just me.
"I'll be danged if I can remember any time, at all, ever, that a professed tax-and-spend liberal shot up a congregation."
No, your nuts seem to prefer the much bigger bang that bombs produce when mailed or tossed into government buildings, business offices or banks. Take Obamas neighbor and good buddy, William Ayers, for instance...
Posted by: Tina at July 28, 2008 04:39 PM
"Progressives just can't bring themselves to hold the person responsible for his own actions. it's easier to blame his mom and dad or his lousy boss or some other societal evil. If you let them off the hook then maybe they'll do the same for you. My guess is that trade off makes it possible to never have to confront your own shorcomings...but that's just me."
But can't you see how unhelpful it is? If the man hadn't been deranged by that raging paranoia which does seem to arise from the "conservative" world view ... and by unemployment ... he might have found some other way to deal with his distressing circumstances. Why do we always have to wait until after the catastrophe? And then have to spend all that money on due process and imprisonment?
Posted by: Libby at July 29, 2008 09:52 PM
How does the conservative world view present a greater sense of paranoia then the modern liberal one?
There are literally tens of millions of conservatives in this country, and they don't seem to be following suit with this criminal.
And how do you explain the domestic terrorists and tree spiker's? They certainly don't share the conservative world view.
Posted by: Nick Freitas at August 2, 2008 11:24 AM
"But can't you see how unhelpful it is? If the man hadn't been deranged by that raging paranoia which does seem to arise from the "conservative" world view ... and by unemployment..."
First of all we have no idea what actually motivated this man to become a shooter...he had his "reasons" and they sound paranoid but they don't have to be. Secondly, the idea that paranoia arises from the conservative world view is in itself totally nuts.
People are responsible for what they do...offering excuses and explanations are a means of getting comfortable with uncomfortable realities in life. When you finally get past all of them you discover the truth.
Millions of people, both conservative and liberal, have been unemployed and never came even close to considering shooting up a bunch of folks at church...or anywhere else.
"Why do we always have to wait until after the catastrophe? And then have to spend all that money on due process and imprisonment?"
Your kidding, right? Or being rhetorical? Or do you really believe it's possible to control how people behave? Is there a magic formula...possibly containing romantic notions of peace and love? I suppose in such a world random acts of any type would not be possible. With the right leaders and the right "universal thoughts" everyone would just suddenly become...what? Compliant? Uberbenevolent? Jello?
We are people. We can't even manage to get get along with ourselves...or members of our own families. We have already established that nuts spring from all political or ideological groups.
So, how do you expect we could ever be able to live in a completely serene and peaceful manner (at least without divine interventon)? How do you imagine we can prevent acts of madness and violence? This man exercised free will and chose to take his deranged fantasies a step too far. He failed to restrain himself. He had a vile thought and he acted on it. He made a choice and that is all.
Posted by: Tina at August 3, 2008 12:58 AM
"How does the conservative world view present a greater sense of paranoia then the modern liberal one?"
Has there ever been a tax-and-spend liberal shot up a congregation? You let me know.
Notwithstanding, Honey, Sweetness ... we is all crazy. We should all be down to the clinic each and every single week.
When the nation whole-heartedly embraces this fact ... we shall make social, global, geopolitical progress.
I'll be dead long since.
Posted by: Libby at August 8, 2008 10:20 PM
"How does the conservative world view present a greater sense of paranoia then the modern liberal one?"
Has there ever been a tax-and-spend liberal shot up a congregation? You let me know.
Notwithstanding, Honey, Sweetness ... we is all crazy. We should all be down to the clinic each and every single week.
When the nation whole-heartedly embraces this fact ... we shall make social, global, geopolitical progress.
I'll be dead long since.
Posted by: Libby at August 8, 2008 10:20 PM
"...we is all crazy. We should all be down to the clinic each and every single week. ** When the nation whole-heartedly embraces this fact ... we shall make social, global, geopolitical progress."
Horse hockey! Wow...that was easy.
Posted by: Tina at August 8, 2008 11:03 PM