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EXCELLENT!!! Written with style, humor and most of all the sting of TRUTH. Good onya.

Thank you for pointing at the Dems. Next, they will blame the republicans.
While you guys are arguing, members of BOTH parties that I have bribed will continue to shift your tax dollars to me.
Thanks for your help.

Good going corrupt...you have managed to imprison both body and mind.

"Good going corrupt...you have managed to imprison both body and mind."

This supposed to mean something? I mean, our Corrupt Contributor is trying to liberate your thinking, get you to drop all this partisan horsepucky.

Haven't you already conceded that F&F were equal opportunity vote purchasers? What follows from that?

"'you have managed to imprison both body and mind.' *** This supposed to mean something? I mean, our Corrupt Contributor is trying to liberate your thinking, get you to drop all this partisan horsepucky."

So that's what you got...fine with me.

What I got is a person who can't or won't understand the principles that make policies or laws either sound or unsound and therefore is undecided and often suffers from feelings of superiority. This one has apparently determined to "drop out" and let the rest of us pay his way in life. (If I heard you wrongly, corrupt, please feel free to correct me.)

If I'm right, Corrupt has indeed imnprisoned himself in a box with nowhere to go but the local handout station.

"Haven't you already conceded that F&F were equal opportunity vote purchasers?"

Equal? So far I have 3 prominent democrat names and the remaining culprits have not been identified by party affiliation that I'm aware. How about you?

Partisan horsepuckey because I called a spade a spade? That's accountability.

I also intended it to be about spending within our means and financial security. Sorry you didn't get more out of it.

"You have to admit, my assumption makes more sense. Corner-squatters do not make political campaign contributions ... as a general rule. Nor do they generally benefit from the tax and regulatory breaks which these contributions buy."

And hasn't Senator Stevens just backed me up ... royally.

"You have to admit, my assumption makes more sense. Corner-squatters do not make political campaign contributions ... as a general rule. Nor do they generally benefit from the tax and regulatory breaks which these contributions buy."

Yes, you're right Libby. I guess I was cuing off of the original post:

“'Sometimes when government has gotten so far out of whack it's not enough to merely reform, you have to tear it down and start over.' Fiscal prudence and saying no to social programs..."

plus Corrupts words:

"...shift your tax dollars to me."

Instead of focusing on Corrupts key words:

"members of BOTH parties that I have bribed"

Whatever he's up to by posting it could be he's not a corporate type at all but is merely playing with us or better yet...actually challenging us to think. That I like.

My arguments aren't meant to be partisan. They are in defense of the principles I hold dear and against a party that seems bent on destroying America. The Republican Party is the only party with enough power to make this fight plausible...and the leadership has often disappointed me as I have said.

This is my second attempt to acknowledge my error...hope it goes through this time!

Being Republican, Senator Stevens will get what he deserves when (if) found guilty.

As for backing you up I have to ask about what? That people in politics are susceptible to corruption? I've never said otherwise.

Your political positions (expanded government) invite more of the same, however, and your buds on the left often ignore and excuse corruption by fellow Dems. So where is your high road?

"Your political positions (expanded government) invite more of the same, ...."

This is not quite correct. I do not support the blanket expansion of government services, that is, from where they are now. My quarrel is with how they spend the money they're already getting. In fact, I stongly feel that some government agencies (HUD, the DOE, and the NSA) are so profoundly corrupted that they should be disbanded, abolished. Fat chance.

But the fact is that we're gonna have to pony up more money for SS and Medicare and we need an Administration with the guts to devise an equitable means to raise it. I do not believe that either McCain or Obama fit the bill. We is screwed.

"I do not support the blanket expansion of government services, that is, from where they are now. My quarrel is with how they spend the money they're already getting. In fact, I stongly feel that some government agencies (HUD, the DOE, and the NSA) are so profoundly corrupted that they should be disbanded, abolished."

I would never have guessed you thought this way given your past comments but if true we are in agreement.

"But the fact is that we're gonna have to pony up more money for SS and Medicare and we need an Administration with the guts to devise an equitable means to raise it."

Republicans came up with a plan that would support SS recipients and allow younger workers to supplement their SS by making a portion of it a personal investment (their money making money over the course of their working life) and the democrats had a cow. Wouldn't even consider it. As they do with all republican proposals the response is to discredit and obstruct...period.

I believe McCain would support legislation to fix SS but the dems in power will never go for it. In the same way they will not consider a reasonable approach to energy...a smart approach that creates the space for all possibilities and where the ones that work best will emerge because people support them. They need to be "saviors".

Medicare is another story but the same conditions apply. Those who think the same government that has shown itself to not work, that has been found to breed corruption and waste resources, is the only answer. They have the power, may very well retain it, and they are determined to shove uiversal healthcare down our throats. In this respect we are indeed...what you said.

"Republicans came up with a plan that would support SS recipients and allow younger workers to supplement their SS by making a portion of it a personal investment (their money making money over the course of their working life) and the democrats had a cow."

And this is where we disagree, because this is a diabolical plot to destroy SS, and I won't have it. The citizens are stupid. The citizens are selfish. Well, the vast majority, anyhoo. And they cannot be depended upon to exercise the fiscal discipline to provide for their own retirement. These "personal" plans will, in the vast majority of cases, evaporate long before these folk pass, and us taxpayers will wind up supporting them anyway.

They have to pay SS taxes. Everybody has to pay SS taxes ... forever.

And you are also correct about the waste and mismanagement, but that is no reason to destroy Medicare. It provides much too valuable a service. What we do is beef up enforcement. Fraudulent providers go to jail.

"And this is where we disagree, because this is a diabolical plot to destroy SS, and I won't have it. The citizens are stupid. The citizens are selfish. Well, the vast majority, anyhoo. And they cannot be depended upon to exercise the fiscal discipline to provide for their own retirement. These "personal" plans will, in the vast majority of cases, evaporate long before these folk pass, and us taxpayers will wind up supporting them anyway."

WRONG. The plan was to set up accounts for each individual that allowed 1-2% of SS pmts to be invested in safe instruments. Rules would be in place about how much and when the money could be withdrawn just like social security. The BIG difference is that the money would enjoy the benefit of earning more instead of being "borrowed" by politicians to pay for other things leaving IOU's in the "SS fund".

Democrats tell people it's "dangerous" and they fall for it...with that kind of inflammatory rhetoric it's understandable.. But it's a dang lie and once people discover what the real plan would do THEY ARE SMART ENOUGH to see it would make sense to do it. the plan also made it optional...imagine giving people a choice!

"Fraudulent providers go to jail."

And what do we do with government employees that are creating waste and fraud on their end?

"And what do we do with government employees that are creating waste and fraud on their end?"

Back this up. All it conjures in my mind is legions of little claims processors. As long as they spend eight hours doing it, with a minimum of diddling, they're not wasting my money.

"All it conjures in my mind is legions of little claims processors. As long as they spend eight hours doing it, with a minimum of diddling, they're not wasting my money."

And therein lies the problem. We expect that people in government will work steadily, not be sloppy or careless...follow the rules...give us a good days work.

I had a friend that worked for the VA and later for the Fed Bureau of Prisons. She was told by her boss to read a book rather than help her co-workers get their work out because he'd have to let someone go if she was too efficient. I have another friend who was working in a welfare office and was constantly told to bend the rules for eligibility. Two instances don't mean much. It's just anecdotal information but what do you want to bet it's pretty typical?