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May 7, 2009
The Future Break Up of the United States of America
By Don Koenig
The United States of America is really 50 sovereign states in a union and that union can dissolve just like the Soviet Union did. This article will give some possibilities how that break up can occur but there certainly could be other scenarios for this to happen.
The major possibility is that after national elections socialist/liberal/progressive forces take control of the executive and legislative branches of government and soon thereafter the Supreme Court. They then would proceed to pass and uphold every sort of socialist legislation such as: hate speech laws, gun laws, immigration laws, socialized medicine, social activism and secular humanism agendas in schools and places of work, outlawing of home schooling, expanding social give-away programs, passing tax laws that burden the middle-class, implementing carbon restrictions and fees, increasing big brother/nanny state police powers and many other laws and regulations that subvert individual freedoms given under the Constitution of the United States for what they will claim to be the greater good of society.
They will increase efforts to redefine the Constitution through activist judges. The courts will also rule that some rights under the Constitution are superseded by international treaties and law.
They will muzzle politically incorrect speech and Christian proselytizing, subvert and brainwash our children with state approved text books and school programs and use national media for political and social propaganda. They will establish unfair tax burdens on the middle class in order to redistribute wealth to the lower class -- specifically to those on welfare programs, poor foreign nations and those people who arrived in this nation illegally. They will irresponsibly expand the money supply to pay increasing budget shortfalls, causing the dollar to lose much of its value. Their socialistic polices will create stagflation or hyper-inflation that will effectively wipe out much of the savings of ten's of millions of people.
At some point in the not too distant future I surmise that a significant segment of the population will rebel against this government and start a secession scenario similar to what I suggest later in this article.
U.S. Vulnerability - Liberals make up the majority populations living in large population states in big cities along both coasts. Those that will oppose this move to communistic fascist-like socialism will be those who make up the majority populations living in the conservative Christian rural heartland of America.
A schism becomes likely between the two worldviews when it becomes obvious to the heartland people that the liberal coastal states will continue to control the American government and that this government will continue to pass and enforce despised amoral laws throughout the United States, regardless of state and local laws. It will especially irk those who believe in biblical moral standards and those who are strict constitutionalists. The heartland people will see national laws and regulations passed and enforced that will ever increase in scope to oppress the rights of freedom loving Bible believing people, corrupt their children, and rob them through unfair federal taxes and irresponsible federal monetary policy.
Some in the heartland of America will not endure these things for long after they realize that the liberal controlled political, educational and media propaganda systems have stacked the deck so that the heartland people will not be able to have a major voice in the policies of this nation through any kind of civil democratic system.
The likelihood that this break up of the union will happen before 2025 A.D.
The likelihood of some kind of breakup of the union is about an eight on a scale of one to ten. The likelihood that the U.S. will fragment into many new nation states, in my opinion, is about fifty-fifty.
The counter-revolution from the heartland may start as a rebirth of the anti federal Government American Patriot Movement and the Libertarians that all but died out after 9/11. The leaders of the movement will address government circumvention of U.S. constitutional rights and it will gain an increasingly large following when muzzled Christian conservatives also identify with their message and some support the movement.
The federal government will obviously oppose these constitutional militias or whatever they decide to call themselves and overreact against them with Homeland Security directed raids that will dwarf Waco. This will only help enlighten more people in the Heartland to the creeping government fascism that is taking control of government and it will spark secession movements in conservative states.
As with prior federal agendas, they will threaten to withhold federal funds and use other coercion techniques against states that will not fully comply with locally unpopular federal laws. That will only alienate state representatives and legislators who will be under much pressure by the local people and cause them to threaten to cut off sending federal taxes to Washington. At some point one northern mountain state will put secession from the union to a emergency state referendum and it will pass. They will declare themselves a free state (like Kosovo) and invite international recognition. Other northern mountain states and some mid-western farming states might soon join with them and create a new union of states.
The federal government will use every means possible to outlaw all this but any federal police-state like actions will only bring violence from both sides and bring international scrutiny. The U.S. government will not be able to use the military to resolve the split because the military will also be totally split on these issues.
Shortly thereafter the Southwest states with large Latino populations will see this as their opportunity for their own nation. Even most of the Anglos living in the Southwest will not oppose the movement because most of them will be totally fed up with the way things are going.
Indian nations will then secede.
As the United States union fails, other regions of the country will see that they will need to form their own group of states. The east coast states could form one union and the west coast states another. The southern bible belt states will also start their own union.
Some Canadian provinces could join with certain former U.S. states, Others provinces might stay Canadian or form their own independent nation. A northern Mexican state or two might join with the Southwest states and Mexico may have their own secessionist movement in the Indian regions of the South.
For a while there will be the Balkanization of North America but at some point for the common good of everyone in North America most states will agree to join a new North American Union of states. It will start as a very limited form of federal government that will control trade, money and some limited social programs. It will not at first be dictating internal federal polices to the individual states.
Much of the world will be having their own economic disasters and separatist movements and the weakened nation states will begin to look more toward regional branches of a world government. The regional branches of world government will allow local autonomy for nation states within global treaties. At least it will start out that way.
By the way, although this would be more unlikely, the break up of the United States could come about from a completely different direction. The Conservatives could take control of America and return it to constitutional law and biblical moral codes. The liberal socialist states might then secede from the union.
Other possibilities are that after terrorist attacks or a national economic crisis, the U.S. becomes a police state and a counter revolution develops against federalized police powers.
Another possibility is that federal and police drug wars against increasingly powerful minority gangs could get out of control. There would be even larger incarceration of minorities then there is now with increased police powers taking away constitutional rights of even innocent people, resulting in a predictable backlash.
The real point is not exactly how this breakup might happen. The point is that America is becoming increasing polarized between liberals and conservatives, religious and irreligious, law abiders and criminals, police and citizens, educators and parents, tax payers and deadbeats, control freaks and freedom lovers, perverts and non perverts etc. If this polarization of America continues to increase we will either have a union break up or we will soon be living under martial law.
It is even likely that some states, counties and cities will break up into smaller local governments because the existing government will no longer reflect the people within.
Posted by Post Scripts at May 7, 2009 10:57 AM
Comments
I'm a Republican, and I think you're completely out of your mind.
Posted by: Dave | May 7, 2009 12:09 PM
Let me explain....
You talk like you're giving up and turning to secession as an answer. I love our country too much to give up like that...it's a coward's exit in my opinion.
Posted by: Dave | May 7, 2009 12:10 PM
I think the secession of several states is quite likely to happen and long before the year 2025. The first to go would be Texas, because of a special provision in its state constitution, Montana, which recently voted to defy federal laws regarding gun control, and Northern California (excluding San Francisco)because the population has always had a freedom-loving, independent spirit. Indian nations do not need to seceed, since they are already separate and sovereign nations, actually a model for the other states leaning that way. I have read the U.S. Constitution on this very issue, and I see nothing that would prohibit a state from breaking away. In fact, the language of all the founding documents consistently refers to a "voluntary union" of states into the United States. They could just as easily un-volunteer. Yes, I know Abe Lincoln justified the Civil War by arguing that the union must be preserved at all costs and states do not have the right to break away, but most Constitutional scholars would agree that his position was on very shaky legal grounds. He should have just stayed with the justification that the rebels had fired upon federal troops at Fort Sumter.
Posted by: Snopes | May 7, 2009 1:42 PM
This has funny timing, I told my wife the other day that when we can swing it, we are moving to Texas. The United States are more than just a name, they stand for something. That "something" is being obliterated by the Left. Soon it will be just a name, much like MLK.
Why should free thinking, freedom loving people be forced into a liberal way of life? Saving the American way of life is NOT cowardly, sitting by and watching this $#!& happen, doing nothing, that is being a coward.
So anyway I am all for busting this mess up and starting over.
Posted by: Toby | May 7, 2009 2:15 PM
When I look at what the Bible says about the end times, I often wonder, like most people, how it could come about. While many have their understandings of the scenarios in the Scriptures, I can see something similar to this happening. It has been pointed out by many theologians that nowhere in the Scriptures can they see any scenario where the United States of America plays a role.
That being said, we are the most powerful country this world has ever known. With the ascension of the Socialists to power it is just a matter of time before our dominant economic status in the world is diminished. However we still have the most advanced and powerful military on this planet. Something has to diminish our ability to stop the inevitable anti-Christ from gaining power in Europe.
I can see one of a number of scenarios that Jack offered as the cause of our military being reduced to a mere collection of rogue nuclear states like some of the former Eastern block countries. It could be that the anti-Christ would play these separate countries against each other in an Armageddon type end of the world war situation.
Just sayings is all, "It could happen"!
Posted by: OneVike | May 7, 2009 2:47 PM
Well said OV and I think the Bible was remarkably accurate too on what we see unfolding.
I know this article is a hypothetical situation, but in realistic terms if the Federal government continues to violate the Constitution then it raises the question, just how much loyalty do we owe such a government?
Most states are just exercizing some muscle right now by restating their sovereignty. I think this is probably a good thing to remind the Federal government not to overstep their bounds. Texas, Nevada, Montana, Oklahoma, Washington, New Hampshire, Arizona,
Michigan, Missouri and Georgia are standing up for States rights.
Posted by: Anonymous
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May 7, 2009 3:31 PM
Alright then....let me clarify what I mean by cowardly.
Cowardly is not voting. Cowardly is not taking an active role in politics. You want to change something? Get off your rear end and get involved in the political process. Don't like the way the country is running? You're not special, at any point in time there is a minority that hates the way the country is being run.
People whine, gripe, complain....I've actually gotten really irritated with my Party lately. I swear, Republicans are starting to sound like the left and it's disgusting.
...and now we have this "I'm taking my marbles and going home" attitude. You want to wonder where the young Republicans like me are? Disgusted and marginalized because we don't have gray hair. I like a good fight and we have one ahead of us if we want to win back a bigger say in how our country is run....but to throw up our hands and say "Oh well it's too hard, I just give up."...
Whining makes me sick to my stomach, no matter where it comes from. Worse yet...the Party has failed as steward of it's traditional principles even when we were in power! We have got to get BACK into power and get BACK to our real principles.
Nixon's Southern Strategy is dead. Move on.
p.s. I apologize in advance if my post is a bit fiery, but let's not start talking about "political correctness", PLEASE.
Posted by: Dave Carter | May 11, 2009 10:41 AM
Dave, you may well complain about political correctness. I'm beginning to think that the GOP is more afflicted than us Dems. I mean, when they were OUR racist, homophobic, fundamentalist fringe, we had them properly shamed into silence, but YOU! ... YOU have let them run amok! And now they threaten to take over your party. I'd be sympathetic ... but I'm too annoyed.
Posted by: Libby | May 12, 2009 10:12 AM
Libby,
See my comment about Nixon's Southern Strategy. I'm in favor of a GOP that stresses accountability (a hard pill for ANY politician to swallow), personal responsibility, and fiscal discipline.
I'm not anti-Civil Rights like some who clutch the banner of State's Rights and anti-Federalism, there comes a time when some Federal laws make sense. Some of the wackos in the GOP are still clingy on that one. Equal opportunity is good. Equal outcomes is bad.
Tell you what....how about we trade them back to you Democrats? You guys have your fair share of wackos, how about you double down on the looney bin and take ours as well? =)
Posted by: Dave | May 13, 2009 7:33 AM
"Tell you what....how about we trade them back to you Democrats?"
No can do. When we had 'em, they were content to have the Federal Wage & Hour Act with liberal helpings of Infrastructure (i.e., pork), so long as they restrained their racist, homophobic yearnings for theocracy.
BushCo went and inflamed the former while decimating the latter ... and now the poor beggars just don't know which end is up. You made the mess, you clean it up.
Posted by: Libby | May 13, 2009 12:27 PM
@Libby
But technically we got them from you guys first. Think of it as an open-door return policy on that horrible Christmas gift your creepy uncle/cousin/whatever gave you.
Maybe we can get some in-store carbon credits on our return? Ha! =)
Posted by: Dave | May 13, 2009 1:45 PM
Ooops. I think I got that former and latter thing backwards ... and me an English Major. Tsk. To clarify: BushCo inspired visions of a palely hetero paradise here on earth, when any sensible person would make due with decent wages, clean drinking water, and disease-free veggies to eat.
Posted by: Libby | May 13, 2009 2:55 PM
* I mean, when they were OUR racist, homophobic, fundamentalist fringe, we had them properly shamed into silence*
Libby that is a lie. You put at least one of your racists in the US Senate and allowed him to become the biggest pork spender that ever came down the pike (to buy his silence perhaps?) Then you completely ignore it when he uses the N word even when being interview on TV. (Your media pals would never tolerate a slip like that from any republican.) That would be the ex-KKK grand whatever whizard himself, Robert Byrd. The "fundamentalist" fringe of your party are the extreme greens, the extreme animal rights people, the extreme antiwar nuts, the extreme anti-gun nuts, the food and smoking nazis, the lying anti-Christuian bigots, the baby killer defenders, the...and they are all front and center right long with the bought and paid for base...BIG union, BIG Healthcare, BIG social programs.
Dave I welcome that passion of yours so bring it on!
*Cowardly is not voting. Cowardly is not taking an active role in politics. You want to change something? Get off your rear end and get involved in the political process.*
You don't know us I guess and therefore couldn't possibly know that most of us have been involved in the political process for many years, at least one of us officially at the state level. We think we have earned the right to speak out and we don't consider it to be whining or complaining. It would behoove you to determine the difference.
*...and now we have this "I'm taking my marbles and going home" attitude. You want to wonder where the young Republicans like me are? Disgusted and marginalized because we don't have gray hair. I like a good fight and we have one ahead of us if we want to win back a bigger say in how our country is run....but to throw up our hands and say "Oh well it's too hard, I just give up."...
Let me get this straight. You actually believe that bucking the power of the US government is cowardly...that it's about taking ones marbles and going home? I think you should reconsider. While Jack and others are having a bit of fun with this issue the underlying principle is dead serious. When even our own government becomes so oppressive that it becomes necessary to consider such drastic steps they are not taken lightly. Our founders risked their own lives, their families lives, and their property and fortunes to throw off the tyranny of the King of England. Men do not do these things without due cause and they do not do them because they are cowards. You should also know that many of those wo post here have put their lives on the line in servoce to our country so they are particularly cognizant of the possible consequences of this scenario. They surely are not cowards...nuts, or part of some imagined kook fringe.
*the Party has failed as steward of it's traditional principles even when we were in power! We have got to get BACK into power and get BACK to our real principles.*
The gray haired folk you are so unsure of are the very ones getting back to basic principles...and that precedes winning back power. We need young people like you to take up those principles and use them to win over the rest of your peers. If you listen to anything Libby has to say on the subject you won't have a prayer.
Think man...who is telling you "the gray haired fringe" are all a bunch of nuts, racists and homophobes? Hmmm...for starters, the left...and who else? The moderate Republicans that lost the last election.
Conservative values win and that is exactly what we represent. Stick around...I like your style, and we have a lot to learn from one another if we are going to get this thing done. but one last thing...
What in the sam hill (southern strategy) does this mean:
*I'm not anti-Civil Rights like some who clutch the banner of State's Rights and anti-Federalism, there comes a time when some Federal laws make sense. Some of the wackos in the GOP are still clingy on that one. Equal opportunity is good. Equal outcomes is bad.*
You cannot claim the mantle of the GOP and think that "equal outcomes" delivered by BIG government is a good thing. Please explain and while you're at it explain where you got the idea that the conservative wing of the GOP is against civil rights?
***The proof of who is responsible for the image of the conservative GOP (kook fringe) is floating around in the propaganda cesspool known as the main stream media. It can also be found in this utterly reprehensible remark made by our facist progressive liberal friend Libby:
*BushCo inspired visions of a palely hetero paradise here on earth, when any sensible person would make due with decent wages, clean drinking water, and disease-free veggies to eat.*
They made up this lie in the first place and now they are swearing to it. Libby is a dear friend who enjoys her naughty little self-congratualatory barbs immensely. We don't mind, they give us an opportunity to counter.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2009 9:21 PM
I'm sorry Tina, but I simply cannot let you misrepresent poor Mr. Byrd's record like this. In the Senator you can track the nation's progress, progressively speaking, from Klansman to Klan repudiator to the King of Pork (i.e, builder of schools, museums, parks and scholarship funds). Some of us are capable of evolution ... and some of us are not.
Posted by: Libby | May 14, 2009 9:09 AM
"...simply cannot let you misrepresent poor Mr. Byrd's record like this. In the Senator you can track the nation's progress, progressively speaking, from Klansman to Klan repudiator to the King of Pork (i.e, builder of schools, museums, parks and scholarship funds). Some of us are capable of evolution ... and some of us are not.
His record speaks for itself...and, I would be happy to acknowledge the changes he made if they were sincere. Unfortunately, your own insistance on calling those of us on the right "racists" at the drop of a hat creates the need to remind you of your parties hypocrisy and lies.
Senator Byrd used the N word on national TV and not one "progressive" bothered to suck air never mind making him pay for it. You become rabid when anyone "unprotected by the progressive cacoon" makes a similar error.
So you see, you haven't "progressed" at all. You still insist on using race to create division...that is low.
By the way...not all of us had to "progress" from Klansman to Klan repudiator...only democrats had to do that. A few of them left the Democrat Party to join the Republicans Party of Lincoln, and Martin Luther King, to demonstrate their sincerity.
On the other hand Senator Byrd was soooo "progressive" he joined with other southern Democrats to vote against the civil rights act of 1964.
This PROGRESSIVE PORKER used his powerful post as Chairman of the Senate Appropriations committee to dole out more than $3 billion in federal pork to West Virginia, including $326 million in fiscal 2008. Not at all surprised you think this is a good thing Libs.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 14, 2009 10:23 AM
@anonymous (i think Tina)
I didn't say I favored equal outcomes, I said equal outcomes are bad. Here's what I think;
Republican Party = Party of Equal Opportunity
Democratic Party = Party of Equal Outcomes
Also, read up on the Southern Strategy. It ain't the prettiest thing in the world and one of the very very few things I just don't like about the GOP. Just being honest.
I went to college in southern Indiana. I'll tell you something else I'm passionate about....I hate racism. Completely and absolutely. I saw racism and the shadow of the confederacy (you can take a guess on how I view the civil war based on my feelings on secession in previous posts) and that was in Indiana. I won't claim to have visited every southern state but I've seen alot of racism.
A particularly disturbing incident came when I was teaching as a faculty member of the business school. My neighbors had a big black German Shepard. One day their two little kids (couldn't have been older than 10 years old) started calling the dog. Guess what the neighbors named the dog? I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't heard it with my own ears.
The party is about equal opportunity, and I really believe that with a passion.
Anyway, I don't know everyone's background here. I'm challenging people based on what I believe and my principles. I'm sorry if I offend those who have risked and sacrificed for the country, but at the same time....we can't lose sight of the big picture. Maybe I'm just entirely too idealistic, but we need to work hard (really hard) to try and create "a more perfect union".
Anyway, I believe in the political process that has shaped the course of the country since it was founded and I'm very...hesitant....to throw that out the window which is what I see secession doing.
Posted by: Dave | May 14, 2009 10:32 AM
Evolution, Tina. 1964 to 1994. Thirty years. Actually, in total it took 50 years to evolve a lovely progressive old Democrat ... a very effective redistributor of wealth. Don't you like parks?
Posted by: Libby | May 14, 2009 11:43 AM
Nice try Libby...Byrd is what he is...tamed or not...and your claim that you progressives "shame" such people into the background was pure nonesense.
Of course I like parks...a very stupis response in the face of all those billions spent Byrd that could have been spent on those school projects you're always railing about.
Fiscal responsibility and discipline...two words progressives refuse to consider. MORE is the fav of the progressives.
Posted by: Tina | May 14, 2009 12:08 PM
"Nice try Libby...Byrd is what he is...tamed or not...and your claim that you progressives "shame" such people into the background was pure nonesense."
You're the one who brung up Bryd, and I pointed out that it's been over 40 years since the man felt it helpful to his career to brag on his Klan membership ... in other words, he's spent over 40 years shamed into silence about whatever his social proclivilties may even still be ... but working hard to secure infrastructure for his constituency ... and proving my point.
Posted by: Libby | May 14, 2009 3:57 PM
@Tina
Yes, and yes. Fiscal responsibility has been on the back burner. Discipline too. They kind of go hand in hand.
Posted by: Anonymous | May 14, 2009 4:04 PM
"Republican Party = Party of Equal Opportunity"
My reading the "Republican" opportunity, well, it doesn't matter how many colleges exist ... if a sizeable pool of qualified students cannot afford to attend.
Democratic Party = Party of Equal Outcomes
I don't know what you mean by this. Most of my qualified pool will make it all the way through college. Some won't, but that percentage does not justify denying them all.
If you're thinking that we intend to send everybody through college, you have been listening to irrational right-wingers making with the inflammatory hyperbole. (We got a great deal of that going on around here.)
But everybody not quite up to college is going to trade school!
Posted by: Libby | May 14, 2009 4:12 PM
I brought Byrd up in response to your irresponsible accusation:
"I mean, when they were OUR racist, homophobic, fundamentalist fringe, we had them properly shamed into silence, but YOU! ... YOU have let them run amok!"
This is utter BS...of course it makes sense because you would only shame Byrd into silence to put progressives in power not because of any high principles regarding racism and bigotry.
What point have you proven? That using political position and power to sneak pet projects into spending bills or that spending taxpayer money on pet projects is honorable? If he were the CEO of a corporation you would be calling for his head. These pork projects get voted on because nobody knows they're in the bill...that doesn't mean they have been deliberated over as to merit or deemed worth the expenditure.
But that's a progressive for you...happy as pigs in slop to spend other peoples money.
Posted by: Tina | May 14, 2009 4:20 PM
"What point have you proven?"
One more time: that when our racist, homophobic, fundamentalist fringe (in the person, if you like, of Senator Byrd) was under our tent, they kept their uncivilized inclinations to themselves ... content with a union wage and civic infrastructure (procured for them by that very same Senator Byrd).
Taken under the Republican tent by Reagan, Gingrich, DeLay, et al., they've been suckered out of their union wage and their infrastructure ... and they're not gettin' they're theocracy either. It is very sad.
Posted by: Libby | May 15, 2009 3:16 PM