Posted by Tina
That was the chant heard at the Capitol today when 10,000 patriots showed up to protest the nearly 2000 page health care bill that Nancy Pelosi sent to the floor of the House for debate. Remarkably the Speaker did this without the required signature of a single Republican committee member. The woman apparently has no respect for the rules. Our system of checks and balances suddenly has less meaning for herthan it had last year.
The Tea Party protest was suggested within the last two or three days making the sizable response quite impressive. One woman spent $500.00 to fly in from Colorado; another came all the way from from California. Tea Partiers across the country are encouraged to show up at the local offices of their representatives to encourage them to vote no on this complex bill.
Reports of arrests were made by the Washington Post and Politico but it turned out that the nine people arrested were from Code Pink protesting from the Democrat perspective. They were arrested after refusing to leave the building they had invaded.
Read the Politico story here.
"Remarkably the Speaker did this without the required signature of a single Republican committee member. The woman apparently has no respect for the rules."
What rule are you talking about? A majority vote in committee will send any bill to the floor for debate. You do remember who's got the majority these days? So? What is this? More totally unfounded victimhood?
I don't know what you're moaning about anyway. It's not a healthcare reform bill. Thanks to those damned blue dogs, it's a health insurance company subsidy act. I am beyond disgusted.
Ahh to be young and dumb and know everything....Utopia is not possible. Socialism does not work. Why would we try to provide everyone with health care? Altruistic? Maybe. Possible? Past performance does not dictate future performance. However, I don't want to worry about my life light running out when the government says! Fact or fiction... Obama will be this generation's turning point, albatross if you will. The belief in change will prove disastrous and cripple their chance at living any type of dream....and god forbid it be the American Dream... for now anyway....Wake up America and run your own lives!!! P.S. And for those quick to point to racism....I'm Japanese-American....I think we have reasons to hate...but choose not to!
Kicking off the tea party press conference/protest at the Capitol, Missouri Republican Rep. Todd Akin urged the crowd to join him in reciting the Pledge of Allegiance because it “drives the liberals crazy.”
Then he botched it.
So eager to shout out “one nation UNDER GOD,” Akin skipped right over the next word – “indivisible” – before stumbling into “with liberty and justice for all.”
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2009/11/missouri_rep_todd_akin_doesnt_know_the_pledge_of_allegiance_video_under_god.php
Libby: I was informed of this House rule by a member of the committee in a television interview. If I can find a reference I will post it. I imagine this was one of the tactics used by the Democrats to keep legislation from coming to the floor when Republicans were in power.
The bill (glad to have you back) is a horrendous piece of government takeover. Dems talk about it bringing competition to the market that will bring costs down but that's a crock. It is a one way ticket to government monopoly and control. "Reform" would repair those things that don't work. Takeover is not reform, it is displacement.
If insurance companies are being subsidized instead of being allowed/encouraged/regulated to compete in an open market across state lines you should be beyond disgusted.
Shawgator: "I'm Japanese-American....I think we have reasons to hate...but choose not to!"
In fact Japanese Americans have admirably lived their lives in loyalty to America despite errors of the past providing a great lesson of forgiveness and grace. The Japanese, too, demonstrated an important lesson after WWII: when defeated it is wise to humble oneself and determine to learn from ones opponent and the experience.
Nice to hear from you Shawgator! I like your take.
Yes, it is admirable that very few people of Japanese ancestry acted as spies for Japan.
"If insurance companies are being subsidized instead of being allowed/encouraged/regulated to compete in an open market across state lines you should be beyond disgusted."
Understand. One of the models of a universal healthcare system, France and Belguim I think we're talking, are administered through "private" health insurance companies. But while these companies are run as private enterprises and compete with two or three other such companies for customers (though all their revenue comes from the state) ... there are no shareholders ... no blue-haired etceteras, with tax dollars in their investment accounts.
This, I could live with. I suppose I must be patient.
"though all their revenue comes from the state"
The state has no revenue that it doesn't ROB from it's citizens...usually the most productive. That's nothing to brag about.
"...no blue-haired etceteras, with tax dollars in their investment accounts."
TAX dollars? You are incredibly presumptuous!
A lot of those "blue haired ladies" depend on those investments to keep them off the dole you twit! They can take care of their own care when they become infirm too...one of your pet peaves. Others, like you and I, have similar investments earning in our retirement accounts. If you don't, you are willing and happy to take from those who fund "the state"...which includes a lot of young people entering the workforce about now. I wonder how they're going to like funding your blue haired healthcare and retirement in the infirm years?
"Blue haired" investment creates new miracle drugs, offers HC insurance to over 85% of Americans and provides jobs for a thousands of people. Instead of taking from the system, being a burden on young people, they participate in growing the economy, earn a few bucks, and keep their paws off the public pocket...all at the same time! If they make enough from their investment they also pay taxes on their earnings.
What the H are you complaining about?
You think like the current administration. They don't know how to create jobs, wealth, and revenues to support government either.
When all of us are riding in the government cart...who will pay the tab?
"The state has no revenue that it doesn't ROB from it's citizens...usually the most productive. That's nothing to brag about."
I've told you before Tina. If you don't want to pay for the services your government provides, there are other places you can go live. Seriously, you don't want universal healthcare, Somalia is the place for you. And good riddance. If you're going to stay here and have the children educated, the potholes filled, and the doctors paid ... quit snivelling about the cost. It's getting really tedious ... this irrational insistence on safety and services out the one side of your face, while you whine about paying for it out the other.
Geez.
Libby I don't know why I should take anyone seriously who can say this with a straight face:
"though all their revenue comes from the state"
I repeat...the state doesn't have any money that it doesn't take, steal, cheat, or rob from the people.
"If you don't want to pay for the services your government provides..."
This isn't a communist country!!! The government doesn't "provide" anything...it is a bureaucracy. It takes money and does a bunch of costly busy work. Everything it does private citizens could do better and for less money. It is a boat anchor on the aspirations and abilities of the people.
Those services that government actually can and should do I pay for willingly and without protest.
"you don't want universal healthcare, Somalia is the place for you."
This is the extent of your imagination? You can only imagine Obama state owned care or Somalia? What a joke...no wonder you think "the state" is the ultimate savior and provider.
"If you're going to stay here and have the children educated, the potholes filled, and the doctors paid "
You really think it takes a big government bureaucracy and trillians upon trillians in cost and debt to accomplish that?
"quit snivelling about the cost."
We're in the financial crisis we are in because too many people weren't sniveling enough. Having an attitude that we can have everything we want withoutn considering the cost, the consequences or the long term effect for our children is the most irresponsible attitude I can think of. It is Pelosi's attitude and that is why she and others like her have no business deciding how our tax dollars will be spent.
"this irrational insistence on safety and services out the one side of your face, while you whine about paying for it out the other."
Don't try to insult me with such drivel. You only make a fool of yourself.
"this irrational insistence on safety and services out the one side of your face, while you whine about paying for it out the other."
I dunno. I think it's a fairly accurate characterization of your position.
I don't see anything factual in your denials, and I'm not hearing the choir come to your defense.
The assertion doesn't warrent factual denial. The choir is taking a break. You are being repetitive and somewhat boring.
Repeating:
""If you're going to stay here and have the children educated, the potholes filled, and the doctors paid "
You really think it takes a big government bureaucracy and trillians upon trillians in cost and debt to accomplish that?
"quit snivelling about the cost."
We're in the financial crisis we are in because too many people weren't sniveling enough.
I guess we're just going to have to let things degrade a bit ... til the dimwitted among us realize they cannot get what they are no longer paying for.
I have a lot to do with the courts. If you did, you'd be bummed. They're not getting paid, so they're not turning the work around and, ohhhh, that's costing particular parties, particularly big time. The number of Republicans on the boards of the nation's insurers ... you'd be (not) astounded. It's going to dawn on them shortly ... and shortly they will make their concerns known to the Republicans in our Legislature and ... Poof! Magically! things will start to happen, revenue-wise.