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September 28, 2007

MONEY AND MARKETS

by Jack Lee

For those of you who pay attention to the market, you may recall I made a prediction the DOW was more likely to hit 12000 before 14000, it was 13915 when I last checked. So, it looks like I could be wrong, but MY reasons were right and that's what you STILL need to know. Yes, the DOW is knocking on the door of 14000 but it probably

won't happen today, we're down about 30 on the DOW mid morning, but more importantly there is nasty talk of a recession heading our way as global economies teeter.

The market looks like it's struggled and strained for all it's worth (literally) to climb those 800 points since my bearish prediction and now it's truly overbought and just points away from the symbolic threshold. A triple touch on the 14000 mark would signal a new horizon for many optimistic investors. But, then you read the contrarians who bring us back to reality. They remind us the nation's leading economic indicator, housing, has gone from bad to worse. You can't be THE leading economic indicator without your ripples in the pond affecting everything else in said pond.

If the stock market is going north and the housing market is going south, recession is looming, world economies are shaky...it's the setup for the perfect storm.

When Greenspan speaks people listen and today on the BBC, the former Fed Chief said this, "...the chance the U.S. sinks into a recession is less than 50%, although he is more uncertain of how strong world economies are. (That's bad)

With his latest musing, the ex-central banker said he sees a serious downturn as more likely than he did before. Previously, he had estimated that the odds of a recession were one in three. "

We need more clarity Mr. G. Between you and me I'm hedging my bets. Look, the market is at an all time high and world economies are looking more shaky than us and we're supposed to be about 50% to recession, says Mr. G. We're hovering slightly less than disaster in housing too. Two words, go short. If you don't know what that means, then you shouldn't do it, this is only for seasoned investors! You would be better off to be in T-bills or the Hussman fund (or other hedge funds) which does well in down times.

NOTE: The contents contained herein are for the readers enjoyment and no stock advice, warranties or guarantees are expressed or implied, readers should invest solely on their own due diligence.


Posted by Post Scripts at September 28, 2007 08:58 AM

Comments

Greenspan is full of it. In his latest book, he excoriates Bush for not puting his veto on profligate spending bills. He has obviously been bought off by the Soros cabal. He should have excoriated the Democrats for passing the profligate bills in the first place.

Posted by: Dan at September 28, 2007 09:46 AM

One of my all time favorite spins goes something like this:

GWB and the Pubbies spent more than previous administrations. Duh! But does that tell the whole story? NO. The number is greater but there is always a BUT and here it is:

Many of you will recall the little trick the democrats had of railing about "cuts in funding." Republicans were starving children and tossing old people into the streets to hear them tell it. Actually funds for those programs were increased but by a smaller percentage. Thus they were not CUTS at all...but that didn't stop the dems from purposely deceiving the uninformed public about it.

The same thing has happened when the republicans had control of congress ...they actually cut spending in many cases by lowering the percentages of increase in spending.

Budgeting works and the people should have been given the opportunity to cheer about these savings but of course it was not reported that way and besides, republicans made other rediculously stupid errors that gave them little credence anyway.

As to the state of the economy I'm with Jack...you get a different opinion depending on which expert you consult.

My sense is that the housing problem isn't deep and will recover, a bit painfully perhaps, but it will. The American economy is doing so well that if a democrat was in the WH we'd be sick of all the good news by now.

Our recovery following the infamous dot com burst bubble, 911, and the war is REMARKABLE!!! ...and nothing is said. Not one word.

GWB would be the first to say that the American people deserve all the credit. Let them keep their money where it will be spent, saved and invested and they will create a huge sustainable marketplace...a place where jobs are in abundance and opportunities abound.

Posted by: Tina at September 28, 2007 08:43 PM

Let me first say that when it comes to economic predictions...go with Jack. And that goes double for when I disagree with him...LOL.

Having said that, I'm going to disagree in part.

I think that the housing market hit a very predictable wall. Supply has out grown demand, and interest rates have forced some buyers out of the market, while leaving many stranded with houses they cannot afford or off load. But the commentary on the housing market by the media is clearly biased.

The housing market did not "crash" or "plummet" or resemble any of the other frightening adjectives the brain trusts at CNN used to describe the correction. Communities which had seen house prices raise by over 150% in the last 5 years have now seen them drop by around 20%. Now to clear it up for all of those mathaletes' at MSNBC, thats still quite a rise overall.

Furthermore, I don't think its all that surprising that areas of the stock market go up when the housing market takes a dip. When the housing market was the thing to do, I had my money in Housing, now that its not, I'm looking toward something with greater liquidity and diversity in the stock market.

Reports of struggles in other economies provides opportunities as well as concern. China is looking to take some hits with loan defaults from their investment banks, European economies can no longer afford their elaborate welfare states and are being forced to privatize in various areas. Some of these changes could provide stimulus to domestic industry. We might also see a bump in the US dollar against other currencies provided that our interest rates stay stable.

Our economy remains the most flexible in the world, and the most able to navigate financial storms.

I am optimistic that the US will not suffer a recession within the next 2 years. Now if Democrats take power, all bets are off.

So there is the novice opinion. But if you had to bet your life savings on one of the opinions posted here...go with Jack.

Posted by: Nick Freitas at September 29, 2007 12:58 AM

One thing of particular concern for me is that our State's budget may see a shortfall beyond the 2.5 billion in reserve.

Indications are that revenue projections are not meeting expectations already. If this trend continues, as I believe it will, our state budget is going to be in for some serious deficit fixing. Will it be more taxes which will lead to even less revenue or will it be bonds which will add to the long term debt that already equals one full years worth of revenues?

My guess the tax and spend dems need very little excuse to raise your state taxes, fees, permit costs and other hidden taxes.

Regarding Greenspan's comments, this does make people pause and it is troubling. In that sense his scary talk is helpful. It pushes people to prepare for a recession and by doing so, this is one way to make sure it doesn't happen. Recesssions happen by taking a number of people in high places by surprise who then overreact and do stupid things.

Posted by: Jack Lee at September 29, 2007 10:57 AM

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