by Jack
Graduating male Rangers say the Army deceived the public when they graduated their female soldiers from Ranger School. The [real] Rangers claim the Army gave the women special assistance and lowered the bar so they could pass the course.
They believe this was due to political pressure to validate the (liberal) theory that women can do anything a man can do in the Army. So, the Army brass was pressured to play politics, but now they have a scandal breaking in the news. Wonder who could have encouraged this? Could it be the Commander in Chief?
The Ranger standards were set after years of intense study, trial and error and combat experience. Only a know-nothing liberal could come along now and say, “Well, those standards don’t really matter. What’s important is we make little girls think they are the equal of warrior men.” They can show their public that they were right about their social experiment with gays and women in the military and combat. This will make a lot of highly placed liberals feel good, including the big liberal in the White House. But, will ISIS or some other enemy lower their bar? I kinda doubt it.
“Shaye Haver and Kristen Griest made history when they became the first women to graduate from the Army’s elite Ranger School. However, some are questioning if the women truly earned the distinguished honor. Reports claim that the women received “special treatment” unlike their male counterparts. Allegations include extra training and lowered benchmarks for female Ranger candidates as Army officials vowed “at least one of them will pass” even before classes began.
The Daily Mail reports that some are questioning if female Rangers Shaye Haver and Kristen Griest were held to the same standards as male Rangers during Ranger School training. Reports indicate that claims of extra training support, lowered benchmarks and special treatment were given to the female candidates that male candidates did not receive.
One particularly distinguishing treatment that the women allegedly received was a Ranger School preparation course. It was claimed that the women were sent to a special camp to prepare for the courses. The program was allegedly ran by Sergeant First Class Robert Hoffnagle, a top Ranger School graduate, at Fort Benning. According to the allegations, the women received nutritional advice, special training and tips on how to prepare for each course they would need to complete once at official Ranger School. However, it was noted that male Ranger candidates were not given the same opportunity to attend the preparation course as the women.” Credit.
Note: This article should take nothing away from the valuable contributions of women in the armed forces. They have a significant role. However ground combat, special forces, rangers, LRRP, is not the best use of their talents.
“The Daily Mail reports”
I wish you would have put this at the very beginning, so I could have known it wasn’t credible right away.
Sorry Chris, would you like some other source? I’ll see what I can find…brb
Okay, I found a number of websites and sources like the Washington Post, Inquisitr.com, TheHill, People Magazine, shall I tell you all of them or would you like tell me in advance which sites you will accept?
By Benny Huang
Something about the story of the first two women ever to graduate from the Army’s prestigious Ranger course seemed hokey. I guess I’m always suspicious of “firsts.” Our society is so fixated on them that it creates an incentive to fudge facts and lower standards.
Liberals will of course contest my assertion, though these are the same people who don’t really object to lowering standards in academia to get more minorities in the door, lowering them again to get them to graduate, then lowering them a third time to hire them as faculty members. Liberals don’t really oppose lowering the bar in order to create “firsts.” They just don’t like to call it “lowering the bar” because that tarnishes the accomplishment. As it should.
General Martin Dempsey, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, revealed his doublethink in 2013 when announcing long-term plans to open combat positions to women. In the vey same press conference in which he stated that women would be allowed the opportunity to prove themselves under the same standards as the men, he also stated, “If we do decide that a particular standard is so high that a woman couldn’t make it, the burden is now on the service to come back and explain to the secretary, why is it that high? Does it really have to be that high?”
So the standard will remain the same…unless women can’t reach it. Then elite units will have to justify their standards to the service secretaries, who will probably not be swayed. So why even debate with the service secretaries if disagreement itself signals a career-killing reluctance to get with the program?
In any case, isn’t “we like being awesome” justification enough? Apparently not. General Dempsey’s pronouncement set the tone—we’re going full speed ahead with women in combat. There’s nothing you can do to stop it and you will only be crushed if you try.
It should come as no surprise then that some Ranger instructors now say that the first women ever awarded the Ranger tab, Kristen Griest and Shaye Haver, received plenty of assistance. The two women started their quest in January when all prospective female Rangers began a special introductory course designed for guardsmen, regardless of their actual service component. The course was intended to weed out weekend warriors who weren’t tough enough, though neither Haver nor Griest belongs to the National Guard. Unlike the male guardsmen, however, the women were allowed to repeat the course as many times as necessary. In April, nineteen women including Haver and Griest began an experimental sex-integrated Ranger class. All nineteen failed phase one. The washouts, both male and female, were given the opportunity to begin the course again at day one. A group of eight elected to give a second try and again they failed. In the end, a group of three women, including Haver and Griest, agreed to be recycled back to day one.
When it was all over, several anonymous Ranger instructors contacted Congressman Steve Russell (R-OK), a combat veteran and former Army Ranger, to tell him that they had been pressured to go easy on the women. They “got special treatment and played by different rules.” The instructors also say that the women were sent to a special females-only intensive training course after their initial washout to give them a leg up. Other examples of special treatment include women not carrying as much gear—particularly the heavy M240B machine gun—and being allowed to reattempt combat tasks that men were simply eliminated for failing. Sources say that the women were allowed to familiarize themselves with the timed land navigation course before attempting it, an opportunity not afforded to men. One source says that the women were actually eliminated from the course before Major General Scott Miller, who oversees Ranger school, used his influence to reinstate them.
The instructors said that they feared reprisal for speaking out. “We were under huge pressure to comply,” one Ranger instructor said. “It was very much politicized.” Army spokespeople have denied any special treatment.
According to the instructors, an unnamed general said earlier this year that “a woman will graduate from Ranger school” and “at least one will get through.” The general’s pronouncement had a “ripple effect” according the instructors. Obviously this “first,” like most “firsts,” was a foregone conclusion. The military was not going to allow the women to fail. Even when they did fail, they were dragged across the finish line.
This is all par for the course in Obama’s military. Everything in his administration is make-believe and everything is subordinated to the agenda, even truth. Especially truth. Just think of the Solyndra and “shovel ready jobs.”
Congressman Russell has requested to see the women’s training reports, though I doubt very much that he will find anything there. No one would be stupid enough to document the women’s failures and then graduate them. If the course was fixed, so were the records.
The inquisitive congressman is encountering resistance from Sue Fulton, a lesbian feminist and chairwoman of the West Point Board of Visitors. Fulton has filed a FOIA request to see Russell’s Ranger school records. “A lot of us were upset that he did this,” said Fulton. “We said, ‘Let’s get his records.’” No one, not even Fulton, is alleging that Russell didn’t earn his tab. She just wants Russell to know how it feels to have someone doubt his accomplishment. Of course, Russell was afforded no special favors and no general ever decreed that he would pass the course before he even attempted it, so where’s the comparison?
“He like too many older men have biases about what women are capable of,” said Fulton. Oh, I see—Russell can’t accept the results because of ingrained sexism. It can’t be because multiple sources have told him the same thing.
“Ranger instructors and their leaders are known for their integrity but somehow when women pass the standard that integrity is no longer respected,” she continued. Yeah, that would make a lot more sense if it weren’t the instructors themselves who told Russell and People Magazine that the game was rigged.
In the grand scheme of things, an instructor at Ranger school is a nobody. There’s very little the instructors could have done when political pressure was raining down from above to push the women through. Their only recourse was to contact the media and perhaps a congressman, which is exactly what these instructors did.
Fulton’s insinuation is that anyone who charges the instructors with failing to uphold standards is impugning the instructors’ integrity. Ironically, it’s Fulton who is calling the instructors liars. If everything they told People Magazine and Congressman Russell was false, what other conclusion can be drawn?
But liars would have kept quiet about the whole thing. These Ranger instructors cared enough about the truth to speak out through the only channels available to them. The real crooks in this sordid tale are the Pentagon brass, the Secretaries of Defense and the Army, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and the president. They’re the ones who pressured people beneath them to graduate at least one woman. Am I calling them liars? You betcha! As an Army veteran myself, I’ll tell you that general officers are very much political animals. They lie as much or more than politicians and they’re lying now.
Army Rangers are highly respected because Ranger school has always been a test of fortitude and combat skills. It shouldn’t be watered down for anybody. Unfortunately, in the mad dash to achieve another stupid “first,” some people were willing to lower the bar.
As Hillary would say, what difference does it make? The new strategy is surrender without a fight. Personally, as a disabled vet who served 14 months in a Hostile Fire zone as a Combat Infantryman, I don’t begrudge anyone avoiding it. We should have robots or drones.
My condolences, Jack.
However: http://sofrep.com/42761/really-happened-women-ranger-school-class-06-15/
From else where on the web—
http://fredoneverything.org/a-petticoat-military-comedy-in-uniform/
Also of note, at about 11 p.m. ET last night, the USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71) officially departed the Persian Gulf and is headed for home “so that it can undergo maintenance.” Right. Guess how many US carriers that leaves on station in the gulf. Zero.
RHT…I like this from Fred Reed: “Writes Susan Keating in People magazine: “A woman will graduate Ranger School,” a general told shocked subordinates this year while preparing for the first females to attend a “gender integrated assessment” of the grueling combat leadership course starting April 20, sources tell People. “At least one will get through.”
And two did, by being given special treatment. Again, a general’s career takes precedence over the good of his troops. An old story.
The Army cheated, says Keating: lowered standards to be politically correct and keep feminists happy. This, as the Army knows, and everyone who has been in combat knows, as well as most people who have been in the field military, is a terrible idea. But the Army exists to keep feminists happy. The services are in the hands of what Dave Hackworth, whom I knew before his death, called the Perfumed Princes. These are peace-time officers more interested in their own advancement than in their troops. Being politicians, not soldiers, they are afraid of women. They allow the feminists to make fools of their men:
People-Belly
The Army forces soldiers to wear pregnancy-simulators to teach them empathy–or so say feminists, but clearly the dykes enjoy humiliating the poor suckers. What must the Taliban think?
The public perhaps assumes that officers are honorable, which they are not, that they tell the truth, which they do only when convenient, and that they are interested in military effectiveness. Sure.
I have seen a great deal of the military and know whereof I speak. Having gone to Vietnam in 1967 with the Marines as an Amtrac crewman, I proved a mediocre warrior but apparently a talented target. I spent a year at Bethesda Naval Hospital and later returned to Southeast Asia as a stringer for Army Times for the last year of that war. This launched me on decades of covering the military for various publications. It was a fairly common career track in those days. Been there, done that.
I was pretty much the grunt’s reporter. I had little use for political officers, which is to say all officers beyond their first tour. (e.g., if interested, A Broken-Down Dumpster.) For years I was military correspondent for the Washington Times, wrote for Army Times and Harper’s, wrote a syndicated military column, Soldiering, for Universal Press Syndicate, and so on. So I will say to General Miller, “You can bullshit the fans, but you can’t bullshit the players. You are an embarrassment to the Army and a danger to your men.”
I have no doubt that these women are tough, hard bodied, and well trained. I don’t begrudge them whatever level of accomplishment they have achieved. But I also have a hard time believing that either of them, except in a limited controlled environment, could consistently perform at the same level as the most accomplished, tough, hard bodied and well trained men. Radical feminists are delusional, and selfish, to think they can or should.
The military, and in particular special forces units, doesn’t exist to create gender neutral opportunities (now there’s a nutty term) for a handful of pushy women. I’m embarrassed for my gender.
Interesting article, when the facts are proven to be factual, or as close to the truth as the Military will allow a Active Officer to state, then what happens to these Women Rangers. Anyone think they will see combat, or a more likely use of them will they be trophy case objects. Time is the only reasonable answer to that.
Jack is not stating nor am I , that women can’t fight in combat, nope they can be just as deadly as any man, but special ops is just a different animal to the extremes.
As stated in the article posted by RHT, a reporter just can not make all this up out of thin air, there is something going on, and it will be exposed sooner if not later, best case scenario would be sooner, before these two woman are placed in a situation they may not be capable of getting out of, and other fighting men may parish trying not to leave them behind.
So will they be used in front line fighting capacity (running the risk of capture by a enemy that resents women to begin with, and if placed in combat, I am sure there will be a hefty bounty on them) or will they just marched around in tailored fatigues?
With Obama, It is highly doubtful anything really positive will come from this.
OK, Jack, so other sources reported the same story. I would have opened with that. Instead what the conversation resembled was this:
You: Hey, this crazy homeless man who likes to yell racial slurs at pigeons told me I have diabetes.
Me: …And?
You: Well, my doctor said the same thing!
As for the sensationalist headline, it doesn’t seem like anyone has been “caught” doing anything; they’ve merely been accused. “Caught” would imply some kind of proof.
They’ve been caught alright, no doubt in my mind! But, it’s yet to be determined what we can do about it, if anything. This is not a criminal offense and if the Pentagon knows about it and the President knows it and neither really cares that our ladies were allowed to complete the course despite special treatment, then there is very little that can be done about it. It’s just another fraud perpetrated on the American public by liberals. It hurts morale in the military and weakens our status in the world, but who cares…the president obviously doesn’t. Our dear president’s past actions has set a very low bar for the military. As CIC he doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing and it’s obvious to everyone, starting with Putin.
Already we estimate that Russian forces have knocked out about 25% of the ISIS C & C in Syria! Obama’s tactic of pin prick air strikes for the last year have done almost nothing by comparison! This guy is such an idiot…I truly have no respect for him and I can’t wait until he is out of office. He’s the worst president ever.
Check this out: “Russia has carried out a series of deadly airstrikes against the terrorist group over the last few days and Vladimir Putin has now sent the country’s most elite special forces team into the war zone.
And speculation is heightening that offensive will be bolstered by the China’s People’s Liberation Army, following a number of reports of military movements in the region backed up by strong words from a senior government member at a United Nations meeting.
Reports emanating from the Middle East last week said China was planning on joining the fight against ISIS “in the coming weeks”, according to a Syrian army official.
While Beijing insists it will abide by the United Nations (UN) in the region, hints of an action were backed up when it spoke strongly about a coordinated response to the rising terrorist threat.”
Imagine, Russia and China in Syria fighting ISIS… thank you President Obama! S.N.A.F.U.
Can’t wait until the Spetsnaz takes on the ISIS amatures… oh, and you can bet they won’t take any prisoners unless its an asset to be tortured then killed.
Jack: “Already we estimate that Russian forces have knocked out about 25% of the ISIS C & C in Syria!”
Who the heck is “we?” I can’t find anything to confirm this claim. I did find a lot of sources reporting that Russia is targeting the rebels, not ISIS. Falling for Russian propaganda again? So soon after the last time? Dewey will be so pleased.
Chris, sorry I just don’t have the time to show you how to do the research I have at my end…maybe another time, headed for bed.
The Russian Air Force has conducted more than 60 flights and bombed over 50 ISIS targets in three days, according to Russia’s top armed forces official.
EDITOR’S NOTE: On September 10, 2014, US President Barack Hussein Obama authorized airstrikes on ISIS in Syria. After a couple of photo-op bombing runs, they for all intents and purposes stopped or were so weak that they had little to no effect. Over the past 12 months, the strength of ISIS in Syria has increased exponentially. All that came to a crashing halt 3 days ago. Why? Because Russia began actual airstrikes designed to inflict actual damage on ISIS, and the net result has been spectacular. In the regions where Russia began bombing, there is no sign of any anti-aircraft or terror activity on the part of ISIS. This does more than make Obama simply “look bad”, it gives credence to the allegations that Obama has been protecting ISIS and allowing them to grow. Putin’s zeal makes America look lazy , apathetic and sympathetic to the cause of the Islamic State. Because we are.
Kartapolov added the strikes have significantly reduced the terrorists’ combat capabilities. “The airstrikes were being conducted night and day from the Khmeimim airbase and throughout the whole of Syria. In three days we managed to undermine the terrorists’ material-technical base and significantly reduce their combat potential,”Lieutenant General Andrey Kartapolov, head of the Main Operation Directorate of the General Staff of Russia’s armed forces, told reporters on Saturday.
He added that according to Russian intelligence the militants are fleeing the area that was in their control.
“There is panic and defection among them. About 600 mercenaries have left their positions and are trying to reach Europe,” he said.
Washington has notified the Russian Defense Ministry that there were only militants in the areas of Russia’s military operation against IS in Syria, he added. “The Americans informed us during contacts that there was no one except terrorists in this region,” he said.
CS Monitor, “Is Russia trumping US in Syria? Pentagon is of two minds. – On one hand, Russia could be inserting itself into a quagmire in Syria. On the other, it’s calling the shots.”
CBS News:
NYT:
WSJ, “U.S. Sees Russian Drive Against CIA-Backed Rebels in Syria – White House noncommittal about coming to aid of its allies”
Fox News…Gen Keane warns Putin is starting a proxy war that could escalate. (pointed remarks in video)
Jack, Jack, Jack….there is nothing to worry about.
Just wait until Bruce Jenner…er…Caitlyn and his…er…her ilk join up.
The military can send out squads of roving transvestites and hermaphrodites. These squads will be very effective as the enemy will die laughing.
What a proud display of bigotry and ignorance, bob.
Cut the projection dipstick. Your holier than thou act doesn’t pass the smell test.
As for the article, anyone who gives half a wet turd about the well-being of male soldiers will be thoroughly protesting any attempt to lower the standards and get them killed for the sake of inflating a woman’s ego. As opposed to your attempt to discredit the disturbing story just because you want your girl power fix.
No woman’s self esteem is more valuable than a man’s life. Any feminist, male or female, who thinks otherwise it’s the ultimate bigot, and shouldn’t have a say in the matter.
Now that the Supreme Court has stated that male-only drafts r unconstitutional, does anyone else see where this going? The banksters world war 3 will conveniently decimate murica, as planned.