President Obama’s policies allowed ISIS to grow and his policies 6 years later have done little to nothing to stop the carnage. Half measures would be better than Obama’s plan, he doesn’t even use half measures. ISIS must be exterminated without mercy, Obama isn’t up to that. He can’t even call a Muslim a terrorist because behind his rose colored glasses a good Muslim couldn’t possibly be a terrorist! His idealized view of what Islam is bears little resemblance to the truth. Obama may fool some of us, but he sure can’t fool all of us. We know who the enemy is and what must be done.
“He can’t even call a Muslim a terrorist because behind his rose colored glasses a good Muslim couldn’t possibly be a terrorist!”
This sentence doesn’t even make sense.
“He can’t even call a Muslim a terrorist”
You know that’s not true. He has called many, many Muslims “terrorists.” He doesn’t use the phrase “Muslim terrorist” for the same reasons Bush stopped using the phrase. I’ve explained these reasons at least three times over the past day, and no one has taken issue with them–you’ve just continued to ignore them.
“because behind his rose colored glasses a good Muslim couldn’t possibly be a terrorist!”
Huh? Of course a good Muslim can’t be a terrorist. If they are a terrorist, they are by definition not good; they are bad.
What specific measures would you take against ISIS that Obama hasn’t taken?
The Presidents refusal to name the enemy goes beyond the reasons you cite, Chris.
Bush did not change the language in training manuals. Bush did not shred pertinent intelligence information that would target suspicious Muslims or tie the hands of the security arm of our government. Bush did not invent terms like “workplace violence” and “overseas contingency operations” to avoid talking about terrorist attacks and war. Bush did not go out of his way to praise Muslims and wag his finger at Christians. Bush did not set out to divide the American people. When Bush spoke he spoke to all Americans. Bush did not disrespect the enemy or play down the threat. He also didn’t have to explain why he didn’t use the term Islamic terrorist. He established the clear distinction when he first communicated with the American people and solidified the difference every time he spoke. His resolve to destroy the terrorists, and any who supported them, remained true throughout his two terms and politics played no part in his decisions. Obama negotiated with Iran, a state sponsor of terror. Obama doesn’t inspire confidence or give us a sense that he is clear about our enemy and so he is questioned and criticized.
Examples of Bush rhetoric:
“This new enemy seeks to destroy our freedom and impose its views. We value life; the terrorists ruthlessly destroy it. We value education; the terrorists do not believe women should be educated or should have health care, or should leave their homes. We value the right to speak our minds; for the terrorists, free expression can be grounds for execution. We respect people of all faiths and welcome the free practice of religion; our enemy wants to dictate how to think and how to worship even to their fellow Muslims.” – President George W. Bush Addresses the Nation World Congress Center, Atlanta, Georgia November 8, 2001
“Here in the United States our Muslim citizens are making many contributions in business, science and law, medicine and education, and in other fields. Muslim members of our Armed Forces and of my administration are serving their fellow Americans with distinction, upholding our nation’s ideals of liberty and justice in a world at peace.” – Remarks by the President on Eid Al-Fitr The Islamic Center of Washington, D.C. December 5, 2002
“America treasures the relationship we have with our many Muslim friends, and we respect the vibrant faith of Islam which inspires countless individuals to lead lives of honesty, integrity, and morality. This year, may Eid also be a time in which we recognize the values of progress, pluralism, and acceptance that bind us together as a Nation and a global community. By working together to advance mutual understanding, we point the way to a brighter future for all.” – Presidential Message Eid al-Fitr December 5, 2002
“These terrorists…we have seen their kind before. They’re the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of the 20th century. By sacrificing human life to serve their radical visions, by abandoning every value except the will to power, they follow in the path of fascism, Nazism and totalitarianism. And they will follow that path all the way to where it ends in history’s unmarked grave of discarded lies.” — George W. Bush, 9/20/01
The message remained the same:
The war we fight today is more than a military conflict; it is the decisive ideological struggle of the 21st century. On one side are those who believe in the values of freedom and moderation — the right of all people to speak, and worship, and live in liberty. And on the other side are those driven by the values of tyranny and extremism — the right of a self-appointed few to impose their fanatical views on all the rest. As veterans, you have seen this kind of enemy before. They’re successors to Fascists, to Nazis, to Communists, and other totalitarians of the 20th century. And history shows what the outcome will be: This war will be difficult; this war will be long; and this war will end in the defeat of the terrorists and totalitarians, and a victory for the cause of freedom and liberty. – GEORGE W. BUSH, speech at the American Legion National Convention in Salt Lake City, UT, August 31, 2006
Like slavery and piracy, terrorism has no place in the modern world. – GEORGE W. BUSH, Address to the United Nations General Assembly, September 23, 2008
He spoke with clarity and truth!!!
Obama muddies the water:
“That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn’t. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”
The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam”
“Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance.”
“That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn’t. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”
“Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation”
One more to consider:
The object of terrorism is terrorism. The object of oppression is oppression. The object of torture is torture. The object of murder is murder. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me? – GEORGE ORWELL, 1984
1) Saudi Arabia is also a major state sponsor of terrorism. You do not care when president’s negotiate with state sponsors of terror (as they always have done and always will do), or you would have criticized Bush–or, hell, even Reagan, for doing the same. Stop pretending to care about this so you can use it as a cudgel to bash Obama.
2) “Bush did not…” Look, I don’t think Obama did half those things either, and you have not convinced me he has after eight years.
3) I can find quotes from Obama almost identical to those Bush quotes, and vice versa. You are being selective.
Iran is a state sponsor of terror. Saudi Arabia is a nation ruled by a king with a huge family. the King has never been shown to be a sponsor of terrorism. The King has been an ally. As an ally we work with the King to fight terrorism. that is not the same thing as making a secret deal with a nation that the UN has sanctioned, that we know funds terrorism, that we know is working toward having nuclear capability and has been no friend or ally, especially a deal where they now have access to billions of dollars and we got nothing in the deal.
Of course I was selective, we can;t fit everything each of them has said on this blog. A sampling of quotes does show differences in their rhetoric. Go ahead and find me a quote from Bush where he says anything similar to, ““Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation”
Being a Christian nation isn’t about the number of Christians we have. It’s about how the founders’ deeply held Christian morality shaped the creation of the nation and a Constitution that has withstood the test of time and been an inspiration to others.
And do you think this statement is true: “Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance.”
I don’t. Being a good fences kind of person it’s none of my business how they live in the ME…UNLESS they spawn groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS that decide to come here to make trouble and kill folks. Then it is my business and I don’t want a mealy mouthed weak president who refuses to lead in the White House when it happens. Changing intelligence and security policies that worked and worked well makes no sense. Shredding intelligence information because it contained word the president decided were off limits makes no sense…not when it’s life and death.
You are unwilling to admit that this president has failed and failed spectacularly and his word game is just a small part of it.
Tina: “Iran is a state sponsor of terror. Saudi Arabia is a nation ruled by a king with a huge family.”
…and is also a state sponsor of terror. You have no idea what you are talking about.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Saudi+Arabia+state+sponsor+of+terrorism
“that is not the same thing as making a secret deal”
The deal was not secret. You have no idea what you are talking about.
“we got nothing in the deal.”
We did not get nothing in the deal. You have no idea what you are talking about.
“Go ahead and find me a quote from Bush where he says anything similar to, ““Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation.”
He never did say that, but that has absolutely nothing to do with either president’s position on Islam or Islamic terror.
“And do you think this statement is true: “Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance.”
I don’t.”
Well, Bush did. He went as far as saying “Islam is peace.” You’re still employing a huge double standard; Bush’s positive statements about Islam indicate to you that he was tolerant while recognizing the radical threat, while Obama’s positive statements about Islam indicate he doesn’t understand the threat at all. You’re drawing distinctions where none exist.
We know how ISIS deals with just about everyone. We don’t need to see the pictures.
Ah, Lytton. Where are you when we need you?!
We will lend all the material support required to the Iraqi National Army, but they have to do the heavy lifting.
Lytton Strachey was an author, a Bloomsburian, a homosexual, and a conscientious objector during WWI. Only his friends knew the homosexual part. At his hearing, the interrogating officer pulls out that venerable chestnut: “What if you were
to come upon an enemy soldier raping your sister?!” And Lytton says: “I should attempt to come between them.” And from the courtroom filled with his supporters arises a restrained exhalation of upper class British delight. Rent “Carrington”; it’s a good movie. It’ll take your mind off things,
Shades of the Nazi’s…and Russia.
There are evils that take hit you in the gut. The current Islamic threat affects the people in every nation their ambitions take them to…and every citizen regardless their religion, race, or creed. It’s despicable that this President divides the nation for politics rather than putting the whole of his efforts into fighting these monsters, even if it costs him political favor.
The Obama administration is responsible for the rise and spread of ISIS, this Islamic “state,” which he smugly referred to as the JV team when it was still small enough to squash like a bug.
While he was feeling smug, and playing golf, ISIS was busy taking control in the void created in Syria when Obama failed to act after issuing that empty red line threat, in Northern Iraq, and in parts Libya.
The President always say’s, “We’re making progress,” but it’s always backwards “progress.”
We need to remember he represents America…what a poor performance by a once great nation. The people must turn away from the party that has given the world this monstrous mess.
“The Obama administration is responsible for the rise and spread of ISIS, this Islamic “state,” which he smugly referred to as the JV team when it was still small enough to squash like a bug.”
I can’t even follow your argument any more. Or more accurately, you can’t. The original claim was that Obama was wrong to call it a JV team because it wasn’t; it was already pretty strong. (There was some merit to this claim.) And now the claim is that it really was a JV team at the time? I don’t think you actually know or care what your problem with this guy is, you just know he’s a problem, so you’ll say anything to go against him even if contradicts what you said before. You don’t even notice. This is called Obama Derangement Syndrome.
This would explain why you like Trump: he just says stuff, and doesn’t take time to think about it. He doesn’t care when what he says is proven wrong with facts. He contradicts himself and doesn’t notice. And if he were president, you’d feel comfortable knowing that it’s OK for you to do these things to.
“The original claim was that Obama was wrong to call it a JV team because it wasn’t; it was already pretty strong. (There was some merit to this claim.) And now the claim is that it really was a JV team at the time? ”
The argument is the same. When he called it a jv team it was not the monster it is now. Then he could have squashed it like a bug. Instead he and Hillary supported ISIS and AQI against the Syrian government and that strengthened ISIS. He built that!
Interesting perspective from November 2015 at Forbes:
There is no way to compare the two Presidents without noticing huge differences in attitude, approach, speech, execution, and commitment…and of course at this point in each presidency, the state of the world and the state of the war on terror. In all respects Obama has not met the challenge of the office he pursued. This, more than anything defines the reason it’s frustrating to the American people that he will not use certain words. The real frustration and upset is bigger…it encompasses his entire miserable seven and a half years where instead of “progress” we see an explosion of terror activity, a Middle East in chaos, refugees surging into the west, and a president who makes friends with our enemies and snubs and disappoints our allies.
“Instead he and Hillary supported ISIS and AQI against the Syrian government and that strengthened ISIS.”
I see you received your marching orders from Trump and Breitbart today.
This was a LIE, Tina, as I explained earlier today. Obama never supported ISIS against Syria. Breitbart can’t read intelligence documents, and Trump either can’t read them or chose not to. Either way disqualifies him from the presidency.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/15/donald-trump/donald-trump-suggests-barack-obama-supported-isis-/
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-pushes-conspiracy-theory-obama-supports-isis/story?id=39877503
Stop falling for obvious lies.
Yeah, well you need to pull back from the gut a little. We are doing what can be done.
I am very curious about Mr. Haney’s assertions. And if his claim about destroyed information is true I will be annoyed. 1) You don’t waste work-product; and 2) it’s my understanding that in the intelligence game there is no worthless information. Anything you can’t use now, you can maybe use later.
See, we have ground in common. However, it might also be good to back off the Obama obsession, if you possibly can. The day you assert that the man is running a kiddie-porn ring from the Oval Office, I’m sending the paramedics to your house.
In my reading today I learned that there are only 145 days to go. A beacon of hope.
We do have common ground and I’m glad about that.
Have to ask why you think I should back off on Obama? When Bush was leaving office did you back off or hit the accelerator? We both know the answer to that one.
Obama represents your party. Your candidate was part of the Obama administration. The record is of extreme importance to the future and its pretty bad. The people need to know. Most don’t even tune in till October but for those who do, my position is peddle to the medal full steam ahead!
Do you not find it hilarious that the Democrats have built a wall around their convention and will demand ID?
Yes, but I berated The Shrub for stuff he actually did. Well, I suppose I should not have accused him of lying about Hussein, as we now know that he was lied to.
The O-man may favor one reporter over another during any given encounter with the press, but he has never refused any outlet credentials.
It may be that OA policy halted a productive investigation, but it is highly unlikely that the O-man himself ordered anything shredded, you have absolutely no proof of such a thing, and so you should not say it.
Now, I know I’m beating the proverbial dead horse, here, your candidate having abandoned anything like veracity, integrity, decency, and you, of course, following suit … but The ELE’s assertion that Obama was personally complicit in he Orlando shooting, that was deranged. I mean, the idea that he could think such a thing, let alone say it, indicates a very deep psychological disturbance.
Or, he could just be quite cynically pushing your buttons. Because Obamaphobia is not something you, alone, suffer from. It has been rampaging the web, lo, these many years. You need to get help for that.
And, alas, I think both conventions have resembled armed camps since Bobby was shot, yet another benefit of our heavily armed culture.
Tina who is the enemy n Syria? The CIA funded Rebels or the rebels they are fighting armed by the Pentagon?