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Rep Lamar Smith called it “a President-Sanctioned Prison Break”. I’d say I have to agree. Thousands of immigrant criminals have been detained and then released back onto American streets where they are free to strike again! Imagine the message that sends in the world! Not only that the President and Janet Napolitano have been lying to the public and “cooking the books” to shade deportation numbers. These are the charges being made by men and women who work as agents for Homeland security that have been prevented from doing their jobs. And the criminals are not guilty of petty crimes in many cases; some have committed heinous crimes like sexual assault, homicide, kidnapping, drunk driving, and aggravated assault. Changes in policy made under the Obama administration have made this the “new normal” in immigration control.
This is another instance where the president, with his phone and his pen, has made law in direct conflict with his duties to uphold our laws and the Constitution.
Breitbart has the story including video of an interview by Mark Levin speaking with Union President Chris Crane of ICE. Crane contends that he and his co-workers are being prevented from doing their jobs and suggests La Raza is influencing/controlling that policy from within.
The information was obtained from an internal Homeland Security memo by the Center for Immigration Studies.
Chris Crane has been attempting to get help from some of our legislators in DC without satisfaction. The contentious issue has stymied lawmakers for some time. Sadly for the American people, political correctness and the race card, used as hammers during election season, have made it difficult for lawmakers to talk about our broken immigration system honestly or offer legislation to fix it. But changing policy by bypassing the Congress is no way to address the problem. This move by the Administration suggests sinister motivations, IMHO.
Free Republic has more:
Crane is suing his own bosses at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in a landmark case, Crane v. Napolitano, to try and halt the Administration’s orders to ICE agents to stop enforcement of Federal immigration laws.
On April 24, Crane – who represents 7,200 agents nationwide – won a stunning initial court victory in his lawsuit against the Obama Administration. As SWA reported at the time, Federal Judge Federal Judge Reed O’Connor told DHS that they had no power to refuse to deport illegal aliens, and that he was likely to strike down Obama’s virtual “DACA” amnesty for millions of illegal aliens. The ruling shocked the Washington establishment, and Crane’s lawsuit…could derail Obama’s four-year effort to undermine immigration enforcement nationwide.
The President doesn’t respect our republic, our form of government, or our laws. He has made reference to the US as a constitutional Democracy on several occasions:
The country is being fundamentally transformed from a constitutional republic into a constitutional democracy. The difference between the two is the difference between the United States as it was established and present-day Europe.
Constitutional democracies do not have the safeguards of the separation of powers and states’ rights.
Democracy is an unbridled mobocracy. It is the tyranny of the mob. The constitution limits that but in the United States, we have other safeguards that limit the power of government and the power of the mob. The safeguards are the separation of powers between the executive and legislative branches and the separation of the individual states from the federal government.
These are under serious attack by Obama and his minions.
A pure unbridled democracy is a political system in which the majority enjoys absolute power by means of democratic elections. In an unvarnished democracy, unrestrained by a constitution, the majority can vote to impose tyranny on themselves and the minority opposition. They can vote to elect those who will infringe upon our inalienable God-given rights. They are described by Thomas Jefferson as elected despots.
Some of you may recall a radio interview Obama did before becoming a state Senator in Illinois. His position was that the Constitution was much to restricting:
If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed people, so that now I would have the right to vote. I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be OK
But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.
And that hasn’t shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court-focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that. (emphasis mine)
We are told by his supporters that we should not criticize or question this man. I disagree. We are obligated…we have a profound duty…to voice our disagreement and call for accountability.
Fundamental transformation is not in the job description! Upholding our Constitution and laws is.
Shortly after posting this I came across an article in The Weekly Standard…President doing damage control and setting the stage for the lefts push on the immigration issue.
Re :36 Thousand Criminals Released to American Streets by ICE Last Year With President Obama’s Authority and Blessing
Call it professional courtesy.
“…Breitbart…Chris Crane…Center for Immigration Studies…Free Republic…Weekly Standard…”
An informed person doesn’t even need to read any of the words in between these phrases to know that they probably aren’t true.
And as a side note, it’s interesting that Chris Crane is the first union president that Post Scripts has ever supported. Progress?
Here’s what you should know about the Center for Immigration Studies:
“Although you’d never know it to read its materials, CIS was started in 1985 by a Michigan ophthalmologist named John Tanton — a man known for his racist statements about Latinos, his decades-long flirtation with white nationalists and Holocaust deniers, and his publication of ugly racist materials. CIS’ creation was part of a carefully thought-out strategy aimed at creating a set of complementary institutions to cultivate the nativist cause — groups including the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) and NumbersUSA. As is shown in Tanton’s correspondence, lodged in the Bentley Historical Library at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Tanton came up with the idea in the early 1980s for “a small think tank” that would “wage the war of ideas.”
And while Tanton never actually ran CIS, his correspondence shows that as late as 1994, nine years after it was started, Tanton, who remains on FAIR’s board of directors today, saw himself as setting the “proper roles for FAIR and CIS.” He raised millions of dollars for the think tank and published the writings of top CIS officials in his racist journal, The Social Contract. He maneuvered a friend on to the board of CIS — a man who shared his interest in eugenics and who attended events with Tanton where white nationalists gave presentations. Through it all, CIS pumped out study after study aimed at highlighting immigration’s negative effects.
These studies have hardly been neutral. One of them concludes that because foreign women (“Third World gold-diggers”) can obtain work permits by marrying American citizens, it’s obvious that fraudulent marriage applications are “prevalent among terrorists.” Another claims that because many immigrants have worked in Georgia since 2000, it’s clear that unemployment among less educated native workers is up. A third says that because immigration levels have been high recently, immigrants make up a growing share of those drawing welfare.
But every one these claims, each of them at the heart of a different recent report from CIS, are either false or virtually without any supporting evidence. That came to fore again last September, when CIS organized a panel to accompany the release of yet another new report, this one claiming that municipalities in substantial numbers were permitting non-citizens to vote. When challenged, the panelists could only come up with a single possible example of the purported trend.
…Krikorian has had considerable success in giving CIS the look of a reputable commentator on immigration. CIS regularly sends experts to testify to Congress and is frequently quoted by the mainstream media. But every now and then, the mask slips.
In 2007, a year before his comments on Washington Mutual, Krikorian accepted an invitation to speak at the Michigan State University chapter of Young Americans for Freedom. It apparently didn’t bother him that MSU-YAF had been widely covered in the media for a series of nasty stunts — staging a “Catch an Illegal Immigrant Day,” holding a “Koran Desecration” competition, and posting “Gays Spread AIDS” fliers across campus. He also didn’t seem to mind being part of the same speakers series that included Nick Griffin, a Holocaust denier who heads the extremist British National Party, and Jared Taylor, who says blacks are incapable of civilization.”
http://www.splcenter.org/publications/the-nativist-lobby-three-faces-of-intolerance/cis-the-independent-think-tank
The article from the weekly standard, points out the WEAKLY standard of respect Obama shows daily toward America.
Although this “catch and release” may benefit Obama within the EPA crowd, and build some support in the Latino community (until they are victimized by their own), It’s exposure may just unify the rest of America and cause the interested Liberals to reflect on their poor preselect-ion of just following their activism.
Especially since the end result of their blind vote clearly proves Obamas desolateness of America.
Follow the money.
We need to crack down on employers who hire illegal workers. However when Arizona tried they the business people screamed like stuck pigs.
“It’s basically running us out of business,” said Rollie Rankin, 62, of Peoria…
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/06/29/20100629arizona-immigration-law-affecting-businesses.html#ixzz31hVKkk91
So basically illegal workers are good for business but bad for American workers.
Jim, you’re right. Follow the money from the low wage earner all the way to the WH.
Over supply of workers results in low pay. When employers can fill jobs from a large pool they’re not motivated to offer more.
Jeff Sessions has it right according to this article.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/13/sen-sessions-heres-how-the-gop-can-win-the-white-house/
And you can bet that there was a corresponding increase in new voter registrations to the Dem party . . . . .
This is the worst prison break in US history and President Obama made it possible.
Chris: “An informed person…blah blah blah.”
Right the story isn’t true simply because the sources aren’t left wing. Chris the argument isn’t even creative much less according to those debate rules that usually occupy your mind.
“Chris Crane is the first union president that Post Scripts has ever supported. Progress?”
Actually wrong…on two counts. 1. We have supported border control agents in Arizona who are union members. We completely support the several unions that are for the keystone pipeline. 2. We celebrate the unions that have bravely untangled themselves from the stranglehold of the radical left machine to support jobs and the pipeline because its the right thing to do!
The problem with Chris’s gotcha about the Center for Immigration Studies is that any organization that doesn’t agree one hundred percent with the open border policy of the radical left would be called racist whether they are or not. Racism is just another label to use as a weapon by people who play the game of politics like Chris, Obama, Hillary, and Saul Alinsky, the author of “Rules for Radicals” and rule #12:
Planned Parenthood’s feminist founder also had an interest in eugenics but that doesn’t bother abortion, planned Parenthood supporting Chris one bit.
The radical Marxist loving left are the biggest phonies and the biggest money grubbers of all…Planned Parenthood’s profit in 2013 was $58.2 million, a decrease of 62 percent from the $155.5 million record high in 2011. According to this, Planned Parenthood has received billions on taxpayer dollars even though it is raking in millions in profits:
Furthermore Chris’s critique comes from the Souther Poverty Law Center, an organization that has been exposed for its own biased positions including targeting in the Alinsky rule #12 way against Christians, not for discriminating, but simply for openly simply expressing their convictions.
Our readers can assess the purposes and goals of the Center for Immigration Studies here.
And Chris…its a sad truth but a truth nonetheless, that gays are greatly responsible for the onslaught and spread of aids. Considering the left’s relaxed attitudes about sexually hooking up and the types of “studies” that are being offered on campus the pamphlets were hardly a big threat. Once again a different way of looking at things, different opinions, just will not be tolerated on the American campus…or understood by the narcissistic self-aggrandizing know-it-alls of the very PC the left.
And further more Chris, one of us at PS is a serving vice president for very, very large labor union. We are not anti-union by a long stretch. When it comes to caring about jobs and people, we care because we are adults who believe that economic responsibility protects union jobs, helps keep a skilled work force and helps provide California with a secure and stable tax base.
One more thing, Chris…not a word about the administration working against US law, releasing to American streets people in our country illegally that have murdered, raped, and assaulted people? No opinion about the post?
Well Jim let’s do follow the money. The business man sited in your article is an apartment owner. He was simply lamenting the loss of renters. I can’t blame him for being upset, he will have to re-rent the apartments and if he can’t he could lose the property. The economy is limiting his ability to rent apartments as much as the immigration law.
Also from the article, one on the renters was a man who was in the country illegally and had started a business using fake documents. He paid himself $9.80 an hour and paid income tax as a private business (I assume) If he paid SS and MCare taxes were they paid into a (fraudulent) account from which he will receive benefits for life, a fraudulent account of a dead person, or a fraudulent account that he won’t be able to access?
This man was doing yard work in the hot Arizona sun. Not too many Americans want this job apparently. He’s the type of person that should be able to acquire a work permit. He doesn’t/can’t because it’s easier to get the fraudulent documents he used than it is to navigate our immigration system’s red tape…stupid.
Also from the article one of the biggest complaints came from the school district that won’t get as much federal tax money for the schools since the law drove immigrants legal and illegal from the state…the governments ridiculous policy only pays for butts in the seats on a day by day basis. The legal immigrants left the state only because the radical left refuses to have an honeat conversation about our broken immigration system. they prefer to play the race card, sordidly using these poor people, just to win elections. Disgusting!
The Democrat Party has rejected and criticized immigration reforms that included programs to help migrants who wish to work here and go back to Mexico enter the country legally. the proposals included many such reforms that would better serve both the immigration population and the people of the United States.
I agree we need to better enforce the law already in existence that requires businesses to screen applicants seeking jobs. But the law isn’t always affective even when used because fake documents are made from lost, stolen, and dead people’s SS and drivers license numbers. Also business owners know they might be targeted as “racist’ just for asking someones status…the left has made sure of this with the political race card.
I think the “money” is a good angle but it isn’t just business profiting.
It isn’t just the money…it is power!
Good points Jack. I would like to add that our criticism of unions has to do with union bosses and the unsustainable deals they have made with business and governments that push jobs overseas and bust budgets!
Tina: “Right the story isn’t true simply because the sources aren’t left wing.”
Nope. Strawman argument. I said it probably wasn’t true, and the reason for that isn’t that the sources aren’t left wing, it’s that they all have a very well documented history of lying for partisan gain.
“Actually wrong…on two counts. 1. We have supported border control agents in Arizona who are union members. We completely support the several unions that are for the keystone pipeline. 2. We celebrate the unions that have bravely untangled themselves from the stranglehold of the radical left machine to support jobs and the pipeline because its the right thing to do!”
Ah, I see. So you’re opposed to the very existence of unions, except the ones who agree with you politically. Fair!
“The problem with Chris’s gotcha about the Center for Immigration Studies is that any organization that doesn’t agree one hundred percent with the open border policy of the radical left would be called racist whether they are or not.”
Even if this were true, it’s irrelevant. It is a verifiable fact that this specific organization has solid ties to white supremacist groups.
“Bad Thing they’ve done doesn’t matter because my opponent would accuse them of that Bad Thing even if they didn’t actually do it” is not an argument.
For you to dismiss CIS’ provable ties to racist organizations as just a Saul Alinsky tactic is ridiculous. CIS’ racist connections matter when assessing the credibility of their claims.
“Planned Parenthood’s feminist founder also had an interest in eugenics but that doesn’t bother abortion, planned Parenthood supporting Chris one bit.”
I suppose the fact that Margaret Sanger has been dead for 50 years couldn’t possibly weigh into that?
“Furthermore Chris’s critique comes from the Souther Poverty Law Center, an organization that has been exposed for its own biased positions including targeting in the Alinsky rule #12 way against Christians, not for discriminating, but simply for openly simply expressing their convictions.”
When “simply expressing their convictions” has equated to spreading provable lies about gay people, arguing that gay sex should be criminalized, and calling them names, then yes, you’re right, the SPLC has targeted such people for criticism and correctly pointed out that such comments are bigoted and hateful.
If you have a problem with this, then you are the one with the problem.
“And Chris…its a sad truth but a truth nonetheless, that gays are greatly responsible for the onslaught and spread of aids. Once again a different way of looking at things, different opinions, just will not be tolerated on the American campus…or understood by the narcissistic self-aggrandizing know-it-alls of the very PC the left.”
So are you seriously arguing that holding up signs saying “Gays Spread Aids” is appropriate, not at all bigoted, and something the SPLC shouldn’t criticize?
If so, you are a spectacularly horrible human being. If saying that makes me a “narcissistic self-aggrandizing know-it-alls of the very PC the left” in your book, so be it. Your opinion doesn’t matter if that’s the case.
Tina: “One more thing, Chris…not a word about the administration working against US law, releasing to American streets people in our country illegally that have murdered, raped, and assaulted people? No opinion about the post?”
No, because I make it a point not to form opinions based on things that racist liars tell me. If I can find a valid source to back up CIS’ claims, I will get back to you.
Sorry Chris the post is NOT a straw man argument. it is a report about a whistle blower expressing concern that he and fellow agents were forced by this administration to release 36,000 criminals to American streets instead of deporting them back to their countries of origin.
You may have evidence that this isn’t true and if you do we would be happy to post it. We have even afforded an open invitation to post articles yourself.
Calling me a racist and a liar to try to refute this information just shows you align with the Saul Alinsky tactic of extremists that have taken control of the Democrat Party with designs to fundamentally transform this nation and take it from being a representative republic to a socialist democracy (mob rule thug-ocracy) like the radicals in Europe who have their roots in Marxism and fascism.
Chris: ” So you’re opposed to the very existence of unions…”
No, this is a free country. I support freedom. I support people in having choice. I reserve the right to object when public sector union bosses negotiate deals that bust state and local budgets, push wages and benefits above private sector wages and benefits on the taxpayers dime. Public sector jobs were attractive because they offered stability in exchange for higher wages. Union bosses and their cronies in leadership have betrayed the taxpayers. In the private sector it is stupid for union bosses to make deals that will ultimately cause the company to fail. that doesn’t serve the best interests of the workers.
You are incapable of hearing these arguments because you have decided (emotionally) that my opinions derive from hate and prejudice. Nothing could be further from the truth. I love people and I love freedom. I want everyone to do well in America…everyone!
Planned Parenthood has assisted in the termination of millions of lives…a high proportion of them black children. The founder of planned parenthood was a lover of the eugenics movement and many of its supporters and proponents have defended partial birth abortion. One far out radical even believes children up to the age of three should be considered in-viable and therefore “free game”. I don’t judge the organization based on it’s supporters and founders. I am just in opposition to much that they do. You on the other hand have to “discredit” and “dismiss”. I suppose that’s because you are part of the “tolerant” club. Pathetic…this crap is all truly pathetic.
As usual Chris attacks the messenger, not the message.
Gays do spread AIDS. No sign necessary.
Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) are more severely affected by HIV than any other group in the United States.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/
Open Question:
Who is the most horrible human being?
A person who knowingly spreads AIDS?
A person who denies the group most severely affected by AIDS?
A person who knows the facts about AIDS?
“Among the 36,000 immigrants whom U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement released from custody last year there were 116 with convictions for homicide, 43 for negligent manslaughter, 14 for voluntary manslaughter and one with a conviction classified by ICE as “homicide-willful kill-public official-gun.”
“Immigration officials knowingly released dozens of murderers and thousands of drunken drivers back into the U.S. in 2013, according to Obama administration statistics”
Gee whiz. what part of ACCORDING TO OBAMA ADMINISTRATION STATISTICS is so hard to understand?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/12/feds-released-hundreds-immigrant-murderers-drunken/
Savages. I mean, really. Our Congress passes legislation making it possible for ICE to refrain from busting up families (most savagely, by deporting children without their parents). This Crane person (who is a savage) makes a legal objection in court … and YOU TAKE HIS SIDE!
Savages.
Libby, do you know what kind of crimes these illegals were in jail over? Maybe you should take a look.
Tina: “Sorry Chris the post is NOT a straw man argument. it is a report about a whistle blower expressing concern that he and fellow agents were forced by this administration to release 36,000 criminals to American streets instead of deporting them back to their countries of origin.”
I did not say the post was a strawman argument, I said that a specific comment of yours–which I helpfully quoted from you–was a strawman argument.
“You may have evidence that this isn’t true and if you do we would be happy to post it.”
I don’t need to provide evidence that something *isn’t* true. When you make a claim, the burden of evidence is on you. Since your evidence comes from some of the worst cesspools the Internet has to offer, it’s not very reliable evidence. Notice that nowhere on CIS’s website do they provide any direct link to the official documents they claim to have looked at;
you’re just expected to trust that their analysis is accurate. And you do, because you wish it to be so.
“Calling me a racist and a liar”
I did not call you a racist. This is another strawman argument.
I did call you a liar, but you kind of just proved me right by claiming that I called you a racist, which is a lie.
“to try to refute this information just shows you align with the Saul Alinsky tactic of extremists that have taken control of the Democrat Party with designs to fundamentally transform this nation and take it from being a representative republic to a socialist democracy (mob rule thug-ocracy) like the radicals in Europe who have their roots in Marxism and fascism.”
Is there a Microsoft Word template that right-wingers use to create word-garbage like the above? If not, there should be; this is indistinguishable from any of the other dozens of ooga-booga rants you’ve gone on in the past, and it’s just as vacuous and paranoid.
Pie, I think we both know that there’s a difference between acknowledging that gays are at a higher risk of AIDS and posting flyers that say “Gays Spread Aids,” which is clearly designed to demonize and spread fear about a group of people. So why don’t you cut the shit and quit pretending you don’t know the difference?
Re #27 Chris The Gay Hating Racist “Pie, I think we both know that there’s a difference between acknowledging that gays are at a higher risk of AIDS and posting flyers that say “Gays Spread Aids,”
Please point out the significant linguistic/logical/rational difference between “gays spread AIDS” and gays are the most severely affected by AIDS.” Take your time. Be specific. Give examples. Reference the statistical data.
Somthing has gone wrong here, so I will try again …
Re #27 Chris The Gay Hating Racist “Pie, I think we both know that there’s a difference between acknowledging that gays are at a higher risk of AIDS and posting flyers that say “Gays Spread Aids,”
Please point out the significant linguistic/logical/rational difference between “gays spread AIDS” and gays are the most severely affected by AIDS.” Take your time. Be specific. Give examples. Reference the statistical data.
By the way, contrary to what the hypocritical liar @$$hole says, it is not my intent, nor ever has been my intent, to demonize homosexuals, be they male or female.
Chris I didn’t demand that you provide evidence. It wasn’t a challenge or an argument point. It was simply an invitation.
Your contentious attitude sure does run your life!
You have called me racist before or implied racism by association. You have also called me a liar on more than one occasion. Please don’t pretend you haven’t.
This statement:
And this:
Show me that you are completely partisan and biased and that you resort to name calling and labeling. You don’t care about the truth and in fact show no interest in pursuing truth. Your list of liars and racists have already been neatly categorized and fitted into labeled boxes. The Weekly Standard couldn’t possibly inform truthfully because they have been placed in a box marked liar. But every time you open your mouth out comes that aura of superiority that exposes you as a complete phony. Watching you pretend that you are in the special, nicer group is just hilarious.
With that I will leave Chris to spin by himself in a box of swirling bile…how about we label it contempt and loathing.
Pie: “…it is not my intent, nor ever has been my intent, to demonize homosexuals, be they male or female.”
It is not my intent either!
It is sadly true that Aids is spread predominantly by gay men and mostly they are infecting other gay men:
Studies from 2002 offer information that backs this up and explains the many reasons.
It may be just a political/social battle for Chris. I care more about young people in general being fully informed.
Pie: “Please point out the significant linguistic/logical/rational difference between “gays spread AIDS” and gays are the most severely affected by AIDS.” Take your time. Be specific. Give examples. Reference the statistical data.”
OK, I’ll explain it to you as if you were five.
The construction “Gays are the most severely affected by AIDS” sets up homosexuals as likely victims of a disease. It inspires sympathy and concern.
The construction “Gays spread AIDS” sets up homosexuals as not victims of AIDS, but as perpetrators. It nearly implies intent, and suggests that gays are dirty and should be avoided.
As I understand it, black Americans are also more likely to be affected by AIDS. But I highly doubt anyone here would defend a flyer posted that said “Blacks Spread AIDS.”
Or maybe you would. Who knows. You’ve found ways to go beneath my already pretty low expectations before.
One more hypothetical:
Men are much more likely to be affected by AIDS than women. But if a campus feminist group put out flyers saying “Men Spread AIDS,” Tina would be the first to denounce such bigoted, anti-male language. And she’d be right.
Words matter.
So, according to Chris gays who contract AIDS do not spread AIDS.
Got it, chum.
Re #33 Chris : “Blacks Spread AIDS.”
Are you at all aware of the very specific fallacy you just committed is? LMAO.
Re #32 Tina : “It may be just a political/social battle for Chris. I care more about young people in general being fully informed.”
Sadly Chris is far more concerned with disinformation. Typical progressive.
Pie: “Are you at all aware of the very specific fallacy you just committed is? LMAO.”
I am not. Enlighten me.
I do know that you committed a strawman fallacy here:
“So, according to Chris gays who contract AIDS do not spread AIDS.”
I did not say that, you know I didn’t say that, yet you are accusing me of saying it anyway.
Tina, can you provide me source for these stats that is not Breitbart, Fox, or the Daily Mail? I went to DHS & ICE and could only find very general numbers. The document the CIS got via legal action was also very general.
Where’d you get this 114 murderers?
On the other hand, out of nearly 200,000 deportees, we’re looking at an error rate of 18 percent … a low “B” … which is not great, but it’s not horrible either.
I’ve said it before, and it seems I must say it again: if you were expecting perfection from your government, you will lead a life full of severe disappointments.
Also, the statement “Gays Spread AIDS” is an example of the hasty generalization fallacy, so interesting to see you defending it.
I ask again: Would you support a group that handed out flyers saying “Blacks Spread AIDS?” Would you support a group that handed out flyers saying “Men Spread AIDS?”
I suspect you may be accusing me of the fallacy of false equivalence because I am comparing gays to blacks, but I don’t believe that applies here. Even if you believe sexual orientation is a choice rather than an immutable characteristic, that doesn’t make the flyer any morally better. Religion is also a choice; if it were shown that Christians were more at risk for AIDS than other groups, would you approve of an atheist group’s decision to post flyers saying “Christians Spread AIDS?” Do you see how that flyer would be misleading, unfair, and offensive to Christians?
Libby, CBS reported the story if that helps.
The whistle blower also contends that the administration is fudging the deportation numbers so whether this represents 18% or not isn’t clear.
I have trouble imagining any government that would release murderers back on to our streets,
I kinda doubt you would have cut GWB much slack under similar circumstances. But like an elephant I will recall that you said we shouldn’t expect perfection when next you find yourself on offense.
Oh, dear.
Congress got the number from ICE.
But on the upside, “total deportations” for 2013 was actually 370,000, so our error rate is down to 10 percent!
Still, one would think that a convicted murderer would have been put on the bus immediately upon release.
They turned right ’round and came back?
We are popular.
No Libby…they were never sent out of the country…just turned loose…fly free little hatchling!
President Obama and Eric Holder have taken it upon themselves to ignore the laws of the land. The two of them have quite a racket going on and they aren’t finished. Ignoring deportation laws and releasing criminals to American streets won’t be enough come November.
This all became possible through what CS Monitors Editor describes this way:
Translation: We deport, or not, as we please.
An aside: Why do progressives always speak in mumbo jumbo?
Could it be they believe nobody will notice what they are saying or see through their tricks and deceptions?
It’s all politics, not empathy, dear girl.
Interesting concept that gays who are, statistically, by far the leading distinguishable group to contract AIDS do not spread AIDS because it is, evidently, not politically correct to make such a correlation.
Progressive-think.
Shocker! I agree with the progressive Hitler Youth and suggest the bigoted CDC stop trying to inform gays that their lifestyle choices make them particularly vulnerable to contracting AIDS because it implies that they spread the disease, which is politically incorrect to say.
Meanwhile once incarcerated illegal immigrant murders are set free. They should definitely continue to be given free medical care by the state of California.
Pie, not only free medical care, but a college assistance program is in the works thanks to dems. We need more educated murders apparently.
W-O-W!
Pie: “Interesting concept that gays who are, statistically, by far the leading distinguishable group to contract AIDS do not spread AIDS because it is, evidently, not politically correct to make such a correlation.”
Jesus, are you illiterate?
There is a difference between pointing out that gays are more likely to contract and spread AIDS and simply posting flyers saying “Gays Spread AIDS.”
Let me try another analogy (though really, what’s the point, since you’ve refused to respond to all the others?)
If it could be proven that Jewish men are more likely to contract and spread AIDS than other groups of people, would you be fine with an organization posting flyers that said “Jews Spread AIDS?”
Would you sit there and argue that the goal is simply to educate people on a public health concern affecting the Jewish community?
I highly doubt even you would pretend to be that stupid.
The “Gays Spread AIDS” flyer is no different from the propaganda spread in Nazi Germany to make people believe that Jews were disease-ridden and disgusting, and would infect (both physically and morally) the rest of society.
It is evil, and you are evil for defending it.
“No Libby…they were never sent out of the country…just turned loose…fly free little hatchling!
No, no … I meant originally, when they were convicted. You’re not saying that people get convicted of murder and then turned loose, or even deported. You have to go to jail … then you get deported, theoretically.
“President Obama and Eric Holder have taken it upon themselves to ignore the laws of the land.”
No. First of all, neither of them runs ICE. Second, there is a law on the books allowing ICE discretion with regard to deportations. Third, I don’t believe the law come into this. This would just be your garden variety incompetence … or lack of staffing.
Can you say “Sequester”?
Sequester my Aunt Fannie! Exactly one job was lost due to the sequester:
That discretion “law” represents a policy change, not a legislative change, I believe, and in some instances may represent a breach of existing law.
The article that accompanies the memo indicates as much:
Neither of them runs ICE?
They do set policy and supposedly have agreed to “faithfully execute” the laws. They aren’t supposed to take an arbitrary approach.
Can you say “dictator”?
I repeat: there is a law on the books permitting ICE ot exercise discretion re deportations. If they exercise discretion, they are upholding the law.
Why can you not grasp this?
Libby, okay there is a law on the books, that doesn’t change the fact we think that it is a real bad idea to release 36,000 criminals that are here illegally to begin with, but then they also broke our laws. What is the message we’re sending future illegals and law breakers? That we’re not serious, that we don’t have the means to deport people, that we regard the seriousness of their offenses as trivial? Deterrence is the foundation of the criminal justice system and you get deterrence by having swift and certain punishment for law breakers – not the discretionary release of law breakers with a slap on the wrist and a promise not to kill anyone again. -Jack
Yes, we know you don’t agree with the law.
And yes, we know that you think your government should be staffed by perfect beings, who work for a pittance and never make mistakes.
And even yet yes, we know that if we were to present evidence that such imperfect beings had, in fact, staffed previous and Republican administrations … we could not get your attention.