Gruber, Fundamental Transformation, and Defending Our Republic

Posted by Tina

Benjamin Franklin famously replied when asked what form of government the founders had given us in writing the Constitution, “A Republic, if you can keep it.”

Recent revelations about the deceptive way the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) was written and sold to the public is an affront to our republic and our Constitution. I was pleased today to read the reaction of Ron Fournier who wrote in the National Journal of Gruber, his attitude and arrogance about the methods used to promote and pass the legislation:

He called you stupid. He admitted that the White House lied to you. Its officials lied to all of us—Republicans, Democrats, and independents; rich and poor; white and brown; men and women.

Liberals should be the angriest. Not only were they personally deceived, but the administration’s dishonest approach to health care reform has helped make Obamacare unpopular while undermining the public’s faith in an activist government. A double blow to progressives.

On top of that, Gruber has helped make the legal case for anti-Obamacare lawyers. In July, a year-old video surfaced in which Gruber said Washington legally withholds money from states that don’t create their own health care exchanges. That could be construed by the Supreme Court to buttress the case against health insurance subsidies.

Radical progressives have taken over in the Democrat Party. They have been been hostile to our Constitution and the opposition party for decades. They think “activist government” is preferable to republican government. It’s important for all Americans to keep in mind that republican government is the very system we were given by the writers of our Constitution. It is a form government with three separate branches designed to be a deterrent to factional or activist control; designed to prevent one group of people to arrest power from the people to become tyrants over the people.

President Obama currently leads this faction of activists in America. In 2008 he advised the American people that his purpose was to “fundamentally transform” America. Obamacare is just one of the things he and his activists have done to “transform” our republic and usher in a new era of progressivism to replace our Constitutional, republican government. His approach to the environment and his hostility to business are also signs of tyrannical rule. There are many others. We were not given a government in which a single man with a phone and a pen has the power to decide who shall win and who shall lose and which of our citizens will become the recipients of redistributed wealth.

Gruber is representative of Democrat Party leaders, an elitist activist minority that is attempting to run roughshod over the American people. Democrats who value freedom and our Constitution and who still love America have a choice now that these activists have been fully exposed: 1. Take back the control of your party or, 2. Leave it, as Ronald Reagan did when this current bunch of radical activists first began to take control of the Democrat Party.

Freedom loving Americans from all parties must be vigilant over the next two years. The Democrat Party leadership and their elitist supporters overtly lie for power and control and work to deceive and undermine the people and our republic. They must be removed from office and power so that power can be returned to the people.

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16 Responses to Gruber, Fundamental Transformation, and Defending Our Republic

  1. Peggy says:

    The lies just keep coming from this administration and the truth exposes them for the liars they are.

    Pelosi Said She Doesn’t Know Who Jonathan Gruber Is Despite Previously Citing Him By Name:

    “Rep. Nancy Pelosi said Thursday that she does not know who Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber is — despite previously citing Gruber by name.

    “I don’t know who he is. He didn’t help write our bill,” Pelosi said at her weekly briefing with reporters.

    But Pelosi has previously cited Gruber’s influence on the bill.

    Pelosi used her Speaker of the House website in 2010 to promote “the Gruber Analysis.”

    “An analysis of the House bill by noted MIT health care economist Jonathan Gruber concludes that the bill would result in lower premiums than under current law for the millions of Americans using the newly-established Health Insurance Exchange – including those who are not receiving affordability credits to help them purchase coverage,” then-Speaker Pelosi’s website wrote, frequently citing Gruber by name and linking to his analysis.

    “I don’t know if you have seen Jonathan Gruber of MIT’s analysis of what the comparison is to the status quo versus what will happen in our bill for those who seek insurance within the exchange,” Pelosi told reporters in 2009. “And our bill takes down those costs, even some now, and much less preventing the upward spiral.”

    continued with 2009 video..
    http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/13/pelosi-said-she-doesnt-know-who-jonathan-gruber-is-despite-previously-citing-him-by-name/

  2. Libby says:

    Oh, geez, Tina, this is so tedious. Over and over and freakin’ over again, you yowl and you flail … and you got nothing … nothing.

    What are these lies told to you? Describe these deceptions? This Gruber Guy gets cocky (“off the cuff, he says … maybe a little too much Chardonnay with lunch?) at some conference of academics, and you’ve uncovered some grand conspiracy.

    It’s all, again, repeatedly, so tediously freakin’ bogus.

    Will you knock it off!

  3. Tina says:

    Republicans lose in an election and they feel disappointment, acknowledge they lost and vow to do better next time.

    Liberals lose an election and they deny the reasons they lost, pretend the truth is a lie, and go on the attack. Sore losers have never been applauded in America.

    Libby you are such a phony and a tyrant! Sorry dearie you don’t get to order me around.

  4. Tina says:

    Peggy Gruber’s remarks have been all over and Pelosi’s denial this morning, that she didn’t know the guy is classic. These lefties have always been able to lie since the old media would cover for them.

    Its a brand new day now, which is why they are pushing for FCC control over the internet and have tried to change the rules in radio.

  5. Libby says:

    Order, schmorder. I checked both your sources. Lots of vague accusations, but no explicit nothing. Just some guy being frivolous in company.

    I’m asking again: what lies, what deceptions? Come up with something or admit … that you’ve been gulled again.

  6. Libby says:

    “But Pelosi has previously cited Gruber’s influence on the bill.”

    Yes, Peggy. Gruber all but wrote the thing, as well as the Romney version it’s based on.

    This has never been a secret … so … again: this vast conspiracy of lies and deception, where is it?

  7. Tina says:

    Frivilous?

    Gruber admitted himself that the plan was to deceive the people.

    Why do people deliberately deceive?

    Because they KNOW they can’t pull something over on people if they are honest:

    If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.

    If you like your plan you can keep your plan.

    Your premiums will be $2500. less.

    It will bend the cost curve down (An editing error placed this at the bottom at original Posting)

    If you make less than $250K your taxes will not go up.

    Obamacare will not add to the debt…a deception they cooked into the law so that CBO scoring would cover their butts in the early years and only show up later when the O man is long gone.

    And Libby the law may contain some of the same provisions as Romneycare but it is not Romneycare! it contains pages and pages of differences including power given to a single (HHS) appointed employee, an open field of damaging regulations, an expansion of Medicaid with people who previously paid for insurance they liked now being forced into Medicaid, a plan that few doctors want to participate in since they don’t get paid enough for their services, and a plethora of other ugly taxes, burdens, and laws.

    My CPA called this morning. Her class this year was a nightmare because of all the confusing regulations that affect tax returns.

    You need to pull your head out…nirvana has not been delivered to the peeps.

  8. Chris says:

    Everything Gruber claims was lied about was well known by every informed person at the time, whether they be liberal or conservative. I don’t doubt he is telling the truth about his (and perhaps even Obama’s) deceptive intentions. But what he describes weren’t just lies, they were *bad* lies.

    The fact is that this law was subject to intense, round-the-clock political debate that was hard to avoid. Regardless of Gruber’s intentions, the process was actually extremely transparent. Anyone who really wanted to know what was in Obamacare and had the initiative to actually check the facts had plenty of opportunity to do so long before it passed.

    “Liberals lose an election and they deny the reasons they lost”

    Says the lady who still says that Romney insulting half the voters as lazy schmucks didn’t have an effect on the election and that Obama won because Benghazi.

  9. Chris says:

    Jack: “Chris, Romney never called half of America lazy schmucks. Why do that? You know what he really said.”

    It’s a paraphrase, but it’s an accurate one. Here is the full quote:

    “There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what… These are people who pay no income tax…”[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

    What is the difference between calling people “lazy schmucks” and saying that they will never “take personal responsibility and care for their lives?” There is no daylight between them.

    The fact is that he denigrated half of all Americans–specifically, the poorer half–as entitled and irresponsible, and he did so specifically to get wealthy donors to give him more money for his campaign.

    I don’t believe in hell except for the worst of the worst, but if I did, I’d think there was a special hell reserved for rich men who try to get richer and more powerful off of denigrating poor people.

  10. Peggy says:

    Oh, this is priceless. The liars get exposed and the deniers are out in force, defending the man they believe can walk on water and all of his apostles.

    We need to come up with a name for these liar deniers like, “911 Truthers,” who denied we were attacked by terrorist. It has to be something catchy that will spread throughout the internet and make its way on to the news channels.

    Chris has made some good comments and some outrages one, but this one wins the award for most outrages.

    “Everything Gruber claims was lied about was well known by every informed person at the time, whether they be liberal or conservative.

    The fact is that this law was subject to intense, round-the-clock political debate that was hard to avoid. Regardless of Gruber’s intentions, the process was actually extremely transparent. Anyone who really wanted to know what was in Obamacare and had the initiative to actually check the facts had plenty of opportunity to do so long before it passed.”

    People can not be informed if the information is kept from them and when it’s finally made available there wasn’t sufficient time given to read the bill before voting on it. Legislators said they didn’t know what was in the bill and others even admitted they didn’t read it.

    From LA Times.

    Democrats Reid, Pelosi ponder crafting Obama’s final healthcare bill behind closed doors:

    “Since it’s basically one-party rule in Washington nowadays, Democratic leaders including Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are seriously considering pushing President Obama’s beloved healthcare legislation through Congress without the normal conference committee work involving both party’s members from both houses.

    Such a select conference committee is normally charged with reconciling differing House and Senate bills on the same issue before final votes in each house on the compromise version.

    But since American voters collectively wanted so much change so badly in 2008, they handed over the White House, House of Representatives and Senate to Democrats with such lopsided majorities that, much as in Chicago, the ruling party doesn’t really need any Republican help driving the differing bills through a blender to produce a final version, possibly by early February.

    Congressional Democrats will meet with Obama at the White House this evening to discuss the….
    …strategy, some in person, some via videoconferencing. House Democrats will caucus Thursday to discuss a final decision on strategy for when they reconvene next week.

    As our colleague James Oliphant reports, such a beeline has some advantages for Democrats. While they don’t need Republican help, they also don’t need the GOP’s avowed obstructionism. Simply choosing conference committee members offers numerous opportunities for long procedural delays in a democracy.

    A new Rassmussen Reports poll out Monday finds that a majority of Americans believe the new plans will hurt healthcare quality, 59% figure it will actually increase healthcare costs, 57% oppose the bills’ intent to cut Medicare benefits by hundreds of billions of dollars and, for some reason, 78% of Americans suspect the Obama administration cost estimates are way under the actual expenses.”

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/01/healthcare-senate-house-democrats-obama.html

    And this.

    Obama Meets Behind Closed Doors with Senators to Push Health Care Bill:

    “According to Republicans, the bill continues to ignore GOP concerns. “There was no interest in drafting a proposal that was in the political middle,” said Republican Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. A key player that has emerged on the GOP side is Senator John McCain of Arizona. As Democrats attempt to push through their bill without Republican support or input, McCain has pushed back by stirring older Americans into opposition over cuts to the Medicare plan.

    Democrats continue to meet this week to compromise over what measures will remain in the bill. If they do manage to pass a bill, Congress will still need to figure out how to merge the House and Senate proposals before it moves to President Obama.”

    http://www.healthcareexchange.com/blog/michael-gomes/obama-meets-behind-closed-doors-senators-push-health-care-bill

    McCain Rips Obama’s Closed Door Meeting with Dems: (Video)

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/12/07/mccain_rips_obamas_closed-door_meeting_with_dems.html

    President and Democrats Meet Behind Closed Doors:

    “”The message from the presentation of the president is that not since Social Security have we had such an issue in this country,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid after the half-hour meeting with Obama.
    Republicans shot back that the current legislation is full of problems, many they claim the President assured wouldn’t happen like a tax increase on small businesses and cuts to Medicare.”

    There are pages and pages of article, but I think you get the idea. Legislators were lied to and denied the time to read and understand the bill before voting on it.

    Democrats can try to spin the facts all they want, but reasonable people will recognize the facts and the truth for what they are. The country does not need more 911 Truthers or Holocaust Deniers.

    Here is a bonus find. Tina you’ll especially like this one.

    Democrats lock Republicans out of committee room:

    “Rep. Edolphus Towns (D-N.Y.) locked Republicans out of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee room to keep them from meeting when Democrats aren’t present.

    Towns’ action came after repeated public ridicule from the leading Republican on the committee, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), over Towns’s failure to launch an investigation into Countrywide Mortgage’s reported sweetheart deals to VIPs.

    For months Towns has refused Republican requests to subpoena records in the case. Last Thursday Committee Republicans, led by Issa, were poised to force an open vote on the subpoenas at a Committee mark-up meeting. The mark-up was abruptly canceled. Only Republicans showed up while Democrats chairs remained empty.

    Republicans charged that Towns canceled the meeting to avoid the subpoena vote. Democrats first claimed the mark-up was canceled due to a conflict with the Financial Services Committee. Later they said it was abandoned after a disagreement among Democratic members on whether to subpoena records on the mortgage industry’s political contributions to Republicans.

    A GOP committee staffer captured video of Democrats leaving their separate meeting in private chambers after the mark-up was supposed to have begun. He spliced the video to other footage of the Democrats’ empty chairs at the hearing room, set it to the tune of “Hit the Road, Jack” and posted it on the Oversight and Government Reform Committee’s minority webpage, where it remained as of press time.”

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/63941-democrats-lock-republicans-out-of-committee-room

  11. Libby says:

    “If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.
    If you like your plan you can keep your plan.”

    All right, these I will concede, with mitigation. Most of the people who ran into trouble here were, in fact, being victimized by carriers, chiefly by having to pay out-of-pocket for preventative services.

    Under the ACA (another benefit) all plans have to offer certain preventative services under coverage, no out-of-pocket. Policies that didn’t meet this requirement had to be cancelled and reissued, and frankly, the insurance industry used this opportunity to wreak havoc … jacking up rates, when they knew that overages would be covered under subsidies … which is also why the only sensible thing to do … ever … was to go single payer.

    The ACA will fail because the insurance industry has already figured out how to game the thing.

  12. Peggy says:

    We will know by next June.

    Did an Obama Appointed Supreme Court Justice Put the Nail in the Coffin of ObamaCare?:

    “In 2012, Chief Justice Roberts demonstrated a reverence for the institution he served in a way that was as powerful as it is misunderstood. Mr. Roberts was acutely aware of the partisan vote in Bush v. Gore and of President Obama’s undermining of the stature of the Supreme Court during and after his 2010 State of the Union Address, in addition to the fact that at the time, only 36% of Americans had a ‘great deal/quite a bit’ of confidence in the Supreme Court as an institution (Gallup).

    Justice Roberts knew that the constitutional order requires that the Court be, to the greatest extent possible, above politics and be perceived by the public as such. Taking the long view of the interests of the Court and of the nation, he voted to uphold the Affordable Care Act using interesting, if not tortured, reasoning.

    Now, it appears as though the foresight of John Roberts is about to come full circle.

    In voting with the liberal wing to uphold the ACA, Roberts avoided the negative political fallout for Republicans –and possibly long term damage to the Court and the country — by NOT striking down President Obama’s signature achievement in an election year.

    In a case involving the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (Michigan v. Bay Mills Indian Community) Justice Kagan’s own words provide the metaphorical rope with which to hang the ACA in King:

    “’But this Court does not revise legislation . . . just because the text as written creates an apparent anomaly as to some subject it does not address. Truth be told, such anomalies often arise from statutes, if for no other reason than that Congress typically legislates by parts — addressing one thing without examining all others that might merit comparable treatment. Rejecting a similar argument that a statutory anomaly made ‘not a whit of sense,’ we explained in one recent case that ‘Congress wrote the statute it wrote’ – meaning, a statute going so far and no further. . .

    This Court has no roving license, in even ordinary cases of statutory interpretation, to disregard clear language simply on the view that . . . Congress ‘must have intended’ something broader.”

    It may well be that patience and a broader respect for our institutions might result in better public policy and a healthier republic than impulsiveness and blind ideological pursuit. The nation would certainly have been better off if then-Speaker Pelosi, Leader Reid and President Obama attempted building something of a national consensus prior to ramming the ACA through on a strictly partisan vote.”

    http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/202284-justice-roberts/

  13. Peggy says:

    Another nail in the ObamaCare coffin just came out. How many more videos provided by “stupid” Americans will the SC have before making their ruling?

    Fifth Jonathan Gruber Video Emerges; Liberals’ Heads Must Be Exploding:


    A 2011 video shot by True North Reports shows Gruber at a Vermont House Health Care Committee meeting discussing Obamacare.

    The committee chair reads a comment from a Vermonter who has concerns about the architect’s plan, including: “ballooning costs, increased taxes, bureaucratic outrages, lower quality care, and special interest nest-feathering,” to name just a few.

    Gruber then jests if this comment was “written by my adolescent children,” which is met with laughter.

    What Gruber doesn’t know is that the comment was actually written by someone more credible than his children.

    “It was actually written by a former senior policy adviser in the White House who knew something about health care systems,” said John McClaughry, a two-term Vermont state senator and adviser to President Ronald Reagan in the 80’s, according to Watchdog.

    “No one should trust this man. … Based on the rest of the stuff that’s come out on the videos, nobody can trust this guy. He has no use for transparency, he thinks people are stupid, and he’ll do anything to get this thing through and pocket his $400,000. That’s not in the interest of the people of Vermont,” McClaughry said.”

    Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/new-fifth-jonathan-gruber-video-emerges-liberals-heads-must-be-exploding/#kTGoG3vQ9umsOmV7.99

  14. Peggy says:

    KABOOM!!!

    President Crafted Obamacare Deception With Gruber At White House Meeting:

    “Gruber had a powerful partner in his effort to spin or conceal politically vulnerable aspects of Obamacare from the public: the president of the United States.

    The Gateway Pundit highlighted a clip from Gruber’s 2012 interview with the PBS program Frontline in which the professor admitted that he worked together with the president in the Oval Office to conceal the political impact of their plan to get more tax revenue out of employer-sponsored health insurance plans by imposing a new “Cadillac tax” on companies. The Gateway Pundit also confirmed that Gruber checked into the West Wing for a meeting with the president on July 20, 2009, according to White House visitor logs.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/14/president-crafted-obamacare-deception-with-gruber-at-white-house-meeting/

  15. Tina says:

    The Kabooms just keep on coming! 🙂

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