Posted by Tina
Forget for a moment that kids don’t “belong” to anyone but are born and entrusted to parents for a time so they can be nourished and guided toward adulthood at which time they become independent thinking and contributing adult citizens of a free republic…just forget it. The new way…the grand forward thinking leftist idea about children was expressed by Melissa Harris-Perry in an ad for MSNBC…Breitbart reports:
We have never invested in public education as much as we should have, because we’ve always had kind of a private notion of children. Your kid is yours, and totally your responsibility. We haven’t had a very collective notion of “These are our children”; so part of it is that we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents, or kids belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to whole communities. Once it’s everybody’s responsibility and not just the household’s, then we start making better investments.
Collective parenting…better for America’s children than a mother and father? I think not. Consider the cost, not only in dollars (a significant amount), but also in terms of our humanity, independent thinking, and freedom.
The collective is everything to those who favor socialist/communist systems of government. Collectively raising the children of the nation ensures the indoctrination to socialist principles of future generations. Never before in the history of America have the lovers of Marx and Lenin (tyranny) been so bold.
Wake up America.
What was that popular quote? “It takes a village to raise an idiot”…?
“It takes a village to raise a child.” –Karl Marx
Obviously, the above is a joke. The phrase is not from Karl Marx, and is actually a very common phrase that people have used for decades in this country. It seems to come from an African proverb, although no exact source is known.
There is nothing particularly socialist or even left-leaning about Harris-Perry’s words here. The idea that raising children is a community responsibility is very old, and it’s an idea I would think you would support, given your complaints about the cultural context today’s youth grow up in, and your advocacy for stronger moral teachings in education, the media, and society as a whole.
Don’t you ever get tired of trying to put everything into these little “left” and “right” boxes? Harris-Perry’s statement was something that I would think conservatives and liberals could agree on. What do you get out of pretending that there is some hidden sinister message in this piece of common sense wisdom? Why turn this into something divisive?
This reminds me of Hilary Clinton’s, “It takes a village” statment. Wiki Answer sums it up nicely.
If I had young kids I’d get them out of public schools and into a private one. Example of just one of many available with more being developed. At least parents don’t have to leave their country to homeschool their own children. Not yet at least.
What does the quote ”It takes a village” mean?
“It means that a child does not just grow up within a home, where there may be a single parent or a combination of parents, but a child will grow up in a community, a village, and that a child will not grow up just in a home but in a social world with input and understanding from the village. Regardless of the child’s upbringing, the child belongs to and is shaped by the community.”
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_quote_”It_takes_a_village”_mean
Ron Paul launches his own home-school curriculum:
“Here, students learn the basics of Western Civilization and Western liberty — how it was won, how it is being lost, and how it will be restored. (Not can . . . will.),” RonPaulCurriculum.com declares.
“Students also learn the basics of American history, the United States Constitution, and American geography. They get two courses on free market economics. They get two courses on government, including a how-to course on reclaiming America, one county at a time.”
http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/08/ron-paul-launches-his-own-home-school-curriculum/#ixzz2Pu2BkExo
Horsefeathers!
A once-great network in the Huntly-Brinkley days has gone totally down the drain. No wonder that channel is known as BSDNC . . . . . .
But Tina, lots of parents are decidedly unfit.
What do you say to their kids? Tough noogies?
That’s not very nice. Downright Dickensian, in fact.
Chris: “Don’t you ever get tired of trying to put everything into these little “left” and “right” boxes?”
Yes, I do get tired but it’s a necessary task, unfortunately.
America was a much friendlier, less divisive nation when the concepts of individual liberty, personal responsibility, and neighborly (voluntary) support and cooperation were shared by nearly every citizen.
Since the sixties the radicals that fell in love with Marx and communal living took over the Democrat Party. They never tire of pushing ever leftward concepts, ideals, and policies that blunt or obliterate the original American concepts of individual liberty, personal responsibility and neighborly cooperation and support mentioned above.
“What do you get out of pretending that there is some hidden sinister message in this piece of common sense wisdom?”
It isn’t me pretending that a child belongs to the community, Chris.
This is a woman that hasn’t given much thought to what she is saying or has bought into the collectivist concept so completely that individual freedom doesn’t even enter her mind!
You guys also pretend to be the champions of equal rights. How can she conceive of equal rights if she believes our children “belong” to the state?
“Why turn this into something divisive?”
The statement itself is divisive. Well, it is if you have any sense of America being composed of a free people living in a free republic.
I’m just blown away at the way this woman thinks. She is in La la land where we all hold hands and play as we blithely turn the responsibility for our children (future generations) over to the community (state). Its a statement that begs for more education funding and free preschool from cradle to Kindergarten. It’s a lie that we have not spent enough on education. The vast amount of money, both private and public has not been spent on educating the children. The money has been mismanaged and misspent on bureaucracy, bloated compensation and retirement packages, and useless departments of government (and universities). The result has been very poor for too many children.
And finally Chris, the culture kids grow up in is shallow, lacking in morals and decency and completely supported by leftist policy and thought. It’s what happens when anything goes is just fine, concepts like individual responsibility are laughed at and maligned, and parents are dismissed as irrelevant:
“Women” under 18 are still dependent children but by changing the language to fit the agenda you can sell anything. When you want kids to have free access to morning after birth control without parental knowledge you just call them women and change the law so they can buy it over the counter…thus bypassing those pesky parents.
I do get tired but the left never stops pushing their big fat noses into every single aspect of our lives and decision making. I value freedom; I must expose the various ways this thinking poisons concepts of liberty, individual responsibility, and voluntary cooperative community support.
From the country that gave us Hitler and set up the mandatory participation in the Youth Movement now doesn’t allow parents to home school their own kids. And if they do may lose custody and suffer financial penalties.
Unbelievable.
If the US denies their petition to stay will they be able to find a country that is still free enough to let them raise and educate their own children as they believe is best for them?
Home Schooling German Family Fights Deportation:
“A German family that fled to the United States in 2008 to be free to homeschool their children is fighting deportation after a decision granting them asylum was overturned.
Uwe and Hannelore Romeike, devout Christians from the southwest of Germany who now have six children, initially took their three oldest children out of school in their native country in 2006. Shortly after, the German government started fining the family and threatening them with legal action.
Home schooling has been illegal in Germany since 1918, when school attendance was made compulsory, and parents who choose to homeschool anyway face financial penalties and legal consequences, including the potential loss of custody of their children.”
“Every state in the United States of America recognizes the right to homeschool, and the U.S. has the world’s largest and most vibrant homeschool community,” read the formal petition on the White House website.
“Regretablly, this family faces deportation in spite of the persecution they will suffer in Germany. The Romeikes hope for the same freedom our forefathers sought,” it read.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/home-schooling-german-family-fights-deportation/story?id=18842383
Hitler Youth Movement:
“The Hitler Youth was a logical extension of Hitler’s belief that the future of Nazi Germany was its children.The Hitler Youth was seen as being as important to a child as school was. In the early years of the Nazi government, Hitler had made it clear as to what he expected German children to be like:
Nazi education schemes part fitted in with this but Hitler wanted to occupy the minds of the young in Nazi Germany even more.
To the outside world, the Hitler Youth seemed to personify German discipline. In fact, this image was far from accurate. School teachers complained that boys and girls were so tired from attending evening meetings of the Hitler Youth, that they could barely stay awake the next day at school. Also by 1938, attendance at Hitler Youth meetings was so poor – barely 25% – that the authorities decided to tighten up attendance with the 1939 law making attendance compulsory.”
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/hitler_youth.htm
Peggy this case is curious. US law grants asylum to those claiming persecution because of religion or association with a group. This family was granted asylum in 2010; nothing has changed except…
The law governing deportation was changed in 2011, according to the article, giving the government “broad power to pursue only high-priority cases”.
In 2012 their asylum was challenged, apparently on the grounds that homeschooling is not a group.
What about the religious aspect? They home school because they do not agree with public education teachings that conflict with their religious beliefs and public school is mandatory in Germany with some pretty stiff consequences for noncompliance. I would certainly feel persecuted in that instance. They came to America because they wanted the freedom to home school.
Gee, responsible family that keeps to themselves living in a quiet neighborhood in Tennessee. What exactly is the big threat?
This nation came about because of people seeking religious freedom. What is our country saying to the world if we won’t lend support behind the concept of freedom?
Libby: “But Tina, lots of parents are decidedly unfit. What do you say to their kids? Tough noogies?”
Libby no one has suggested such an ignorant thing. Individuals do the giving…not communities. It’s important to avoid the state “collective” solution to problems, else we all end up all sharing the misery.
This family’s situation is very interesting and sad. They left a country where the gov’t declared it was the parents of their children and therefore knew what was best for them. They came to a country they believed was founded on individual freedom and where they would be able to raise their own children as they deemed best. Instead they find themselves in a country that is transforming into the very type of country they fled and they are caught in the middle of that political change.
According to the article the attorney general has the authority to approve their petition to stay. I highly doubt he will, because it wouldn‘t align with the changes that have taken place since their arrival. Because this case has become so public this administration will have to turn this family away to keep their progressive base happy and to prove to the world once again America is not an exceptional nation, it’s just like the rest of the world.
The front of the Statue of Liberty does not reflect our nation’s symbol any more, her back does. Legal immigrants are not wanted, but those who broke our laws to get here or refused to leave when their visas expired are not only welcomed with open arms we’re paying them to stay and even giving them money to send to their dependents in their own country.
If I was this family I’d rent a place next door to Obama’s aunt or uncle, who have been here illegally for decades, and have a reporter from every media outfit over for a glass of iced tea.
“Libby no one has suggested such an ignorant thing.”
Actually, you did.
“Individuals do the giving…not communities. It’s important to avoid the state “collective” solution to problems, else we all end up all sharing the misery.”
And then you run off to your CRC meeting. Do that make sense? And I suppose it does, really, if it’s just “poor people collectivising” that you object to. And that’s it, ain’t it?
This whole discussion is silly. It’s like a parody of manufactured outrage.
Harris-Perry is promoting a *traditional value.* It used to be that kids could get spanked not just by their parents, but any adult in the vicinity of a misbehaving child. Don’t pretend you don’t remember this, Tina.
Harris-Perry isn’t talking about discipline, but she is talking about the idea that children are a community responsibility, not just a parental responsibility. She isn’t saying that parents should be replaced or that their rights should be curtailed. That is a willful misinterpretation.
“America was a much friendlier, less divisive nation when the concepts of individual liberty, personal responsibility,”
I know, you believe this time existed before 1935.
You believe that America was a “much friendlier, less divisive nation” when legal segregation was still in place.
That about says it all, doesn’t it?
“and neighborly (voluntary) support and cooperation were shared by nearly every citizen.”
Communist! Burn her!
Does it not occur to you that neighborly support and cooperation is exactly what Harris-Perry is talking about?
“You guys also pretend to be the champions of equal rights. How can she conceive of equal rights if she believes our children “belong” to the state?”
She never said our children belong to the state. “Community =/= “state.”
“The statement itself is divisive.”
No, it’s intended to bring people together toward a common cause: the well-being of our children. Who could possibly be against that?
“I’m just blown away at the way this woman thinks.”
No, you’re blown away at what you are intentionally misinterpreting her to think.
“Its a statement that begs for more education funding and free preschool from cradle to Kindergarten.”
Yeesh, Libby was right: “Dickensian” is the perfect term to describe you! You sound like a cartoon villain, sneering at poor kids for demanding a free education.
“It’s a lie that we have not spent enough on education. The vast amount of money, both private and public has not been spent on educating the children. The money has been mismanaged and misspent on bureaucracy, bloated compensation and retirement packages, and useless departments of government (and universities). The result has been very poor for too many children.”
Then why don’t you advocate for the money to be better spent, instead of advocating it should be taken away?
“And finally Chris, the culture kids grow up in is shallow, lacking in morals and decency”
Which is exactly why the entire community has a responsibility to children to improve.
““Women” under 18 are still dependent children but by changing the language to fit the agenda you can sell anything. When you want kids to have free access to morning after birth control without parental knowledge you just call them women and change the law so they can buy it over the counter…thus bypassing those pesky parents.”
So, let’s say a 17-year-old college freshman gets raped. She is far from home. She wakes up at a party where someone drugged her (non-alcoholic) drink, and cannot find her clothes. She knows what has happened to her, but has no idea whether her rapist used protection. She believes abortion is immoral, but she knows that the Plan B pill, if taken in time, prevents fertilization. She does not have time to get parental approval. She goes into the pharmacy to get the Plan B pill. Would you deny her?
If so, you are evil.
“I do get tired but the left never stops pushing their big fat noses into every single aspect of our lives and decision making.”
Said the woman who just tried to poke her big fat nose into a very private aspect of girls’ lives and decision making.
“I value freedom”
[citation needed]
I should also add that if you judged our war funding by the same metrics of success you judge our education funding by, you would be calling for a drastic reduction in military spending. The Iraq War was a huge waste of taxpayer money and did nothing to make us safer. A ton of it went to inneficient beauracracy and private war-profiteers as well.
Deconstructing Melissa Harris-Perry and Chris
1) We have never invested in public education as much as we should have
Oh, really? Never invested in public education as much as we should have? How much is “should have”? This is trivially inaccurate, and demonstrably mendacious drivel. A throw away bit of unsubstantial nonsense that sets us up for the next bit of mentally deranged progressive socialist fluff …
2) because we’ve always had kind of a private notion of children.
Hmmm, a trivially false statement set up for this caliginous punch line? Precisely what “private notion” is she referring to and how does that notion influence her (trivially false) premise?
3) We haven’t had a very collective notion of “These are our children”
Evidently this progressive twit has never been to a PTA meeting. That or the PTA and elected and appointed school supervisors simply are not enough of a “collective” effort for true blue progressive Marxists.
4) we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents, or kids belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to whole communities.
At last we break through to the the nut — kids do not belong to their parents, they belong to the state.
5) The good little goose-stepper Chris — There is nothing particularly socialist or even left-leaning about Harris-Perry’s words here.
The local nanny-state progressive propagandist brown shirt tries to gloss over and defuse the obvious communist/marxist/nazi/fascist features and ramifications of Melissa Harris-Perry absurd and disturbing statements.
Now I have to go vomit.
“Ludicrous and creepy” pretty much sums up Melissa Harris-Perry (and Chris) —
http://twitchy.com/2013/04/09/it-takes-a-village-to-school-msnbcs-persecuted-village-idiot-melissa-harris-perry/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter
Re: “This whole discussion is silly. It’s like a parody of manufactured outrage.”
Evidently my favorite little goose-stepping, boot-licking, progressive brown shirt (or nose, take your pick) has sensed a disturbance in the force and is scrambling madly to quell it or mock it, or something.
*YAWN*
Speaking of “inneficient beauracracy” (sic), how about that stimulus and all those shovel ready projects? Or the ~$8 trillion of added debt accrued under a single president — Obama?
Oh, silly me, the only shovel ready projects ever launched were simply more of the consistent flow of manure from shovel adept ready progressives.
The daughter outshines the village idiot parent!
Melissa Harris-Perry’s 10 year old daughter interviews Olympic gold medalist —
http://riehlworldview.com/?p=28660
Libby My remarks DO NOT suggest we say “tough noogies” to kids with parents that don’t care.
Your approach is hands off, let the cold bureaucratic government handle the problem.
Don’t try to pretend that you are the one with the big heart and loads of concern. You pay and impose taxes so you don’t have to be bothered with caring!
Melissa Harris-Perry back pedals — “So those of you who were alarmed by the ad can relax. I have no designs on taking your children. Please keep your kids! But I understand the fear.”
Ms. Perry, I, for one, do not fear you. I simply find you to be a rather mundane, common sort of ludicrous progressive twit who talks up the socialist state line and then pleads persecution when caught spewing such gut-churning nonsense.
Required Reading
Investor’s Business Daily editors chime in —
“Collectivists throughout history have said that children do and should belong to the state and that if you control the children, you control the future.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/040913-651296-msnbc-host-says-children-belong-to-state.htm#ixzz2Q1Ds2TBL
Pie a priceless interview!
I don’t have a problem with the community concept, in perspective it is fine that people find value in participating with others to achieve.
I have a problem with thinking that fails to recognize (or include) individual effort, creativity, success, and yes compassion. The, “You didn’t build that!” attitude is definitely not an attitude I’d recognize as solidly American.
Pie: “At last we break through to the the nut — kids do not belong to their parents, they belong to the state.”
Except that she never said kids belong to the state. She said they belong to the community.
And you’re all interpreting the word “belong” in the most negative way possible. She doesn’t mean that children are property or that the community “owns” them. She’s talking about belonging in the positive sense. Doesn’t everyone want to belong to a community? That’s at least part of the reason Jack and Tina started this blog, to belong to a community of like-minded individuals.
Unfortunately, this has become a community of like-minded individuals who all see hidden communist messages in their alphabet soup.
Harris-Perry’s response to her critics is moving, and I hope it will change minds:
“My inbox began filling with hateful, personal attacks on Monday, apparently as a result of conservative reactions to a recent “Lean Forward” advertisement now airing on MSNBC, which you can view above. What I thought was an uncontroversial comment on my desire for Americans to see children as everyone’s responsibility has created a bit of a tempest in the right’s teapot. Allow me to double down.
One thing is for sure: I have no intention of apologizing for saying that our children, all of our children, are part of more than our households, they are part of our communities and deserve to have the care, attention, resources, respect and opportunities of those communities.
When the flood of vitriolic responses to the ad began, my first reaction was relief. I had spent the entire day grading papers and was relieved that since these children were not my responsibility, I could simply mail the students’ papers to their moms and dads to grade! But of course, that is a ridiculous notion. As a teacher, I have unique responsibilities to the students in my classroom at Tulane University, and I embrace those responsibilities. It is why I love my job.
Then I started asking myself where did I learn this lesson about our collective responsibility to children. So many answers quickly became evident.
I learned it from my mother who, long after her own kids were teens, volunteered on the non profit boards of day care centers that served under-resourced children.
I learned it from my father who, despite a demanding career and a large family of his own, always coached boys’ basketball teams in our town.
I learned it from my third-grade public school teacher, who gave me creative extra work and opened up her classroom to me after school so that I wouldn’t get bored and get in trouble.
I learned it from the men who volunteered as crossing guards in my neighborhood even if they don’t have kids in the schools.
I learned it from the conservative, Republican moms at my daughter’s elementary school, who gave her a ride home every day while I was recovering from surgery.
I learned it watching the parents of Newtown and Chicago as they call for gun control legislation to protect all the children of our communities.
I learn it from my elderly neighbors who never complain about paying property taxes that support our schools, even if they have no children in the schools today.
And I have learned it from other, more surprising sources as well. I find very little common ground with former President George W. Bush, but I certainly agree that no child should be left behind. And while I disagree with the policies he implemented under that banner, I wholeheartedly support his belief that we have a collective national interest in all children doing well.
I’ll even admit that despite being an unwavering advocate for women’s reproductive rights, I have learned this lesson from some of my most sincere, ethically motivated, pro-life colleagues. Those people who truly believe that the potential life inherent in a fetus is equivalent to the actualized life of an infant have argued that the community has a distinct interest in children no matter what the mother’s and father’s interests or needs. So while we come down on different sides of the choice issue, we agree that kids are not the property of their parents. Their lives matter to all of us.
I believe wholeheartedly, and without apology, that we have a collective responsibility to the children of our communities even if we did not conceive and bear them. Of course, parents can and should raise their children with their own values. But they should be able to do so in a community that provides safe places to play, quality food to eat, terrific schools to attend, and economic opportunities to support them. No individual household can do that alone. We have to build that world together.
So those of you who were alarmed by the ad can relax. I have no designs on taking your children. Please keep your kids! But I understand the fear.
We do live in a nation where slaveholders took the infants from the arms of my foremothers and sold them for their own profit. We do live in a nation where the government snatched American Indian children from their families and “re-educated” them by forbidding them to speak their language and practice their traditions.
But that is not what I was talking about, and you know it.
I venture to say that anyone and everyone should know full well that my message in that ad was a call to see ourselves as connected to a larger whole. I don’t want your kids, but I want them to live in safe neighborhoods. I want them to learn in enriching and dynamic classrooms. I want them to be healthy and well and free from fear. I want them to grow up to agree or disagree with me or with you and to have all the freedom and tools they need to express what they believe.
And no hateful thing that you say to me or about me will ever change that I want those things for your children.”
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/04/09/why-caring-for-children-is-not-just-a-parents-job/
Tina,
I have a problem with progressive collectivist nitwits who believe children belong to the state, not their parents. That is precisely the notion Melissa Harris-Perry was promoting despite her back-pedaling and subsequent denial.
When a progressive is so dumb as to get caught flat spewing their ill-conceived, fascistic drivel, they always deny, disavow, and back-pedal.
“Progressives”, despite their animated denials and deceptions crying about freedom of speech, the “right” to redefine marriage, and the support of the wholesale slaughter of the most helpless and disenfranchised among us are all about the state controlling people’s lives, their children, their social interactions, their commerce, even what they eat. They cry, “Stay out of our vaginas!” while passing legislation to control what people eat.
Progressives are true and dangerous “bundle of sticks” fascists who would sooner piss on the constitution than be bothered to amend the sections they do not care for via the constitutional convention process. They wish to strangle the life out of it without having to be distracted by messy details.
Observe Nancy Pelosi, a quintessential progressive. She has fully admitted that she does not know much about the constitution she has sworn under oath to defend! She then adds another layer of absurdity to her progressive lunacy by stating that she prefers South Africa’s constitution. It takes a progressive like Nancy Pelosi to make such a choice and distinction from based on self-avowed ignorance.
Progressives seek to have children owned by the state because they are all about churning out good little ignorant, mind-washed, goose-stepping, boot-licking party members like Chris.
Pie Guevara: “I have a problem with progressive collectivist nitwits who believe children belong to the state, not their parents. That is precisely the notion Melissa Harris-Perry was promoting despite her back-pedaling and subsequent denial.”
Please stop lying. She never said that children belong to the state. She said they belong to their communities. She also did not say that children do not belong to their parents. She said they don’t belong to “just” their parents.
“Observe Nancy Pelosi, a quintessential progressive. She has fully admitted that she does not know much about the constitution she has sworn under oath to defend! She then adds another layer of absurdity to her progressive lunacy by stating that she prefers South Africa’s constitution.”
On this point I don’t think you are lying, but you are confused. Nancy Pelosi never said any such thing. It was Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg who said that Egypt should look to newer Constitutions, such as that of South Africa, in designing their own. She also praised the U.S. Constitution in the same interview. At no point did she say that she “preferred” the South African constitution.
http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/feb/28/rick-santorum/santorum-supreme-court-justice-prefers-south-afric/
Re Chris: “Except that she never said kids belong to the state. She said they belong to the community.”
ROTFLMAO! Do you really think I am THAT stupid, you laughable, pathetic, ineffective, propagandist, wannabe apologist progressive twit? “Community” is progressive code for “state”. Period.
Really, Chris, get a handle on it. You only diminish yourself with your inane, laughable bullshit.
Re Chris’ “Please stop lying.”
I am not lying. You are very lucky not to say that to my face you piece of *hit.
Re Chris’”On this point I don’t think you are lying, but you are confused.”
Yep, you got me there. I mistakenly conflated Pelosi with her Supreme Court doppleganger Ginsberg.
Sorry about that, dear boy. Progressives are often indistinguishable from one another. You all march in lock-step to the same tune.
Re Chris; “At no point did she say that she “preferred” the South African constitution.”
Perhaps you are confused, Chris. Or maybe English is your second language. Or maybe you are just a progressive jackass.
Ginsberge, “I would not look to the U.S. Constitution if I were drafting a constitution in the year 2012. I might look at the constitution of South Africa.”
IF THAT IS NOT EXPRESSING A PREFERENCE WHAT IS?
Sheesh, you are such a, slimy, oily, weasel worded idiot scum bag!
“Do you really think I am THAT stupid, you laughable…”
Do you think your inability to complete one single comment without making a vicious ad hominem attack reflects well on your intelligence?
““Community” is progressive code for “state”. Period.”
Uh-huh. “Code.” ‘Cuz that’s not paranoid at all…
*YAWN* Every time Chris gets called out for his own stupid, self-oblivious ad hominem attacks (such as “Please stop lying”) he whines for being slapped back.
So it goes with these duplicitous, mendacious, hypocritical progressive clowns like Chris.
“Community” is code for “state” in progressive lingo. Any fool knows that and paranoia has nothing to do with it.
Another Chris FAIL.
By the way, the latest ad hominem attack that from the progressive liar scum bag Chris that I am “paranoid” does not change one whit the words of Nancy Pelosi, Ruth Gingsberg, or the hyphenated Melissa Harris-Perry. Nor the meaning of those words.
Poor Chris thinks he is working for George Orwell’s “Big Brother” or the is the reincarnation of Joseph Goebbels.
He is neither. He is just an insignificant, ineffectual, brown nosing boot-licker of his progressive masters.
I love you Chris 😀
If anything, one of the central problems with our country today is that we are less connected to our communities than we used to be. Kids used to feel safe in their communities; parents used to know that their neighbors were watching out for them. We used to be a nation of joiners: bridge clubs, PTAs, book clubs…what happened to these things? I don’t see them in my community. Even using the word “community” to apply to my town seems like a misnomer, and I am relatively involved. Communities have become fragmented, isolated. This has the worst effect on kids, who often turn to drugs or gangs due to lack of community activities. Even kids who do not turn to crime and do relatively well often report feeling isolated and not a part of their communities. They don’t feel a sense of belonging.
When I saw this ad, this is how I interpreted Melissa Harris-Perry’s words. She wants us to see ourselves as connected in a way that we don’t anymore. I don’t see how that’s a bad thing.
I love you too, Pie.
Chris: “She also praised the U.S. Constitution in the same interview. At no point did she say that she “preferred” the South African constitution. ”
I’d say that’s a matter of your wild interpretation.
From my perspective she was saying the US Constitution is okay but if you want to draft a constitution for today look elsewhere…like South Africa…in fact from Politifact, your very own source:
I don’t think she could be any clearer in her preference for the South African constitution and others over the US Constitution. Nothing prior to WWII is worth looking to for guidance.
Freedom and individual responsibility are not valued (part of the mind set) of progressives which is why they must always micromanage everything for everyone in a futile attempt to make things fair for everyone.
If you think about it,take the concept to it’s logical conclusion, their ideal would be so horribly boring.
Chris: ” She wants us to see ourselves as connected in a way that we don’t anymore. I don’t see how that’s a bad thing.”
I don’t know how old this woman is but I would like her to know that she describes the very world that has been destroyed, laughed at, impugned, and denigrated for decades by the party, policies, social preferences, legislation, activists and politics that she apparently embraces. Either that or like so many she is actually conservative at heart and hasn’t yet come home.
She describes the America that developed from the very Constitutional ideals and principles that Ginsberg finds so antiquated. You can’t get any freer than “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”
Once you start tinkering with it and carving out special rights for this group and that group you have given it all away.
Tina,
Chris has gone a long ways to convince me that progressives are, at the very least, demented.
Ginsberg clearly expressing a preference is not expressing a preference. Melissa Harris-Perry clearly stating that children belong to the state (without actually using the word “state” but worded in such a way that the meaning of her words is inescapable) does not mean progressives think children belong to the state.
You think these twits could make up their minds. Melissa Harris-Perry back-pedals, Chris denies and disavows.
What a bunch of pathetic weasels progressives are. They don’t even have the strength of their own convictions.
It is really quite sad.
“’Community’ is code for “state” in progressive lingo.”
No, Pie. In your lingo. And that’s very sad. As it makes for you all an excuse, a justification, a rationalization, for your all too thorough rejection of any responsibility for the children of the unfit.
Dickensian, Dude.