by Jack
Well now it’s downright personal. Thanks to ObamaCare my son has been put on notice that his Kaiser health insurance won’t be allowed. This is a policy that my son did a lot of research on and it’s tailor made to suit his family. But, nooooo, big government says it’s not good enough! He will soon have riders on things he says are unnecessary for his family needs, but what is worse the new policy is going to increase his out of pocket costs by thousands of dollars a year. He’s livid, as well he should be. He never voted for Obama, he didn’t want government inserting themselves into his family business, he was against ObamaCare and he sure doesn’t like being forced into a new healthcare policy that isn’t as cost effective as the old policy.
Mmmmmmm. Kaiser policies do not have a lot of bells, whistles, or options. You sure it just wasn’t just that “cover nothing til deductible is paid” thing, cause that’s not allowed any more. All manner of “preventative” stuff must now be covered by your premium … which sounds like a good thing to me.
Jack, how can that be? If Obama said it once he said it over 35 times. If you like your plan than you can keep it. Now I read the Bill Clinton has something to tell Obama about keeping his word (possibly for the first time)
Obama should consider changes to his health care law to honor his pledge to allow consumers to keep their health care plans if they so desire, former President Bill Clinton said in an interview released Tuesday.
Clinton told the website OZY that the implementation of the Affordable Care Act has been, on balance, a good thing (and if I left this part out I might be attached for using this)) “The big lesson is that we’re better off with this law than without it,” Clinton said. ((well thats along party lines isn’t it) BUT he also lent some credence to GOP attacks on the law.
“I personally believe, even if it takes a change in the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they got,” Clinton said.
Sorry about your son Jack.
I’m living in fear every day too that I’ll get the dreaded letter. My plan is with my former employer so I may have a little reprieve. The plan has changed every year so figure it’s only a matter of time.
Hopefully, conservative will win control of Congress in 2014 and the WH in 2016 and repeal and replace it with a plan that puts patients first at a lower cost.
Noticed Obama and most of his supports are no longer saying ObamaCare, but have switched to calling it ACA. Saw this report showing since Oct. 1st, he’s said ACA 50 times and ObamaCare twice. Funny he sure was proud to have his name connected to it before it became such a big failure. Now he’s putting as much distance with it that he can.
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Why the change of heart? President Obama referred to Obamacare as ‘Obamacare’ just 2 times since Oct. 1 launch:
Monday, Nov 11, 2013
http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/11/11/why-the-change-of-heart-president-obama-referred-to-obamacare-as-obamacare-just-2-times-since-oct-1-launch/
I just can’t get over B.J. Clinton having the gall to instruct Obama on honoring commitments.
Obama’s “apology” on NBC was at best a poor imitation of John’s Belushi’s apology for smashing a guitar in “Animal House”. (Sheesh, is Chuck Todd a news media volunteer suck up or what? That was ugly.)
At least B.J. Clinton only screwed two women (that we know of) while occupying the White House. Obama has screwed an entire nation.
Rest assured, Obama feels deep, deep sorrow for your son, Jack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V_hCqO6UQs
(Side Note: Appropriately Belushi’s character John “Bluto” Blutarsky went on to become a U.S, Senator.)
I am sorry Jack, unfortunately this will happen way too often.
Is his insurance self purchased or through employer?
I’m asking because my son just enrolled in Kaiser on his own, he does have a disability so maybe that is different, I don’t know.
Libby, the big expert on Kaiser and ObamaCare. 😀
Now here is an interesting statistic that was linked to on The Drudge Report —
Americans 34 Times More Interested In Buying Guns Than Obamacare
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-12/americans-34-times-more-interested-buying-guns-obamacare
Pie…If I were Obama I would take that as a sign the natives are restless.
A lot of Americans are geting this gift at Christmas time thanks to Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the Democrat Party. Such a swell bunch of folks!
I notice that the liberals have zero sympathy…not even empathy…for those whose healthcare premiums will go up dramatically. People who love redistribution schemes don’t give a rip about people they just want what they want and the rest of us will take it and, as Libby has said, like it.
The reputation they have as the party of the working stiff is totally destroyed with this law as they are stiffing the working class right and left!
Sorry about your son, Jack. I hope he can get covered without paying too heavy a price.
When the middle class all join the ranks of the poor who will pay for the big bureaucracy that fakes compassion to give out all of the subsidies and benefits?
Thanks Tina, it looks like he is stuck with higher premiums, the 3 plans offered are really not making it for his situation.
The insurance companies have been running this scam, based on peoples fears and ignorance. They cancel your policy, then tell you that the new policy will cost you $$$$ more. However people who have shopped around found that they can often get new insurance at a better deal than the old policy.
Read more here: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/11/05/insurance-companies-obamacare-scam/
If you do lose your insurance you may not want to go on the gov’t website.
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Internal White House memo warned of “limitless threats” from Obamacare website security flaws:
http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/66795162777/internal-white-house-memo-warned-of-limitless-threats
With apologies to the late great film artist Sergio Leone (“The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly”) hasn’t the narrative from The Smarmy, The Stupid, and The Obnoxious (Libby, Dewey and Chris) in this forum been that nothing is really wrong with ObamaCare except for a few glitches and some evil greedy insurance corporations?
Enter Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Mary Landrieu (D-La.) who seek to require insurance companies TO CONTINUE TO OFFER THEIR EXISTING HEATH CARE PLANS, regardless of ObamaCare’s provisions absurd forcing them to them end them. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is not going to allow the bill to progress to the Senate floor.
Republican legislators should refrain from participating in, proposing, or voting for any bill that purports to fix ObamaCare. Republicans were completely shut out of ACA drafting process and this disaster was foisted upon a gullible public by the ludicrous Nancy “We have we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what’s in it” Pelosi, the rest of the Democratic Party crap weasels who populate congress, and the serial Liar-In-Chief who sold it with bald faced lies.
Now that we know what is in the bill, it should be allowed to die a natural death and take the Democratic Party along with it to the grave. Republicans should redouble their efforts to propose and draft reasonable solutions to problems with health care insurance and soaring medical costs and let the Democrats swing from the gallows they built for themselves and the country at large. No Republican sharp shooter should be cutting the gallows rope.
Agree! Let em swing.
“… that nothing is really wrong with ObamaCare except for a few glitches and some evil greedy insurance corporations?”
Hoo, hoo! … only in the perception of a person who operates entirely on stereotypes, whose knee-jerk reactions are all-too-predictable.
I’ve said it several times, outlawry is the only progressive response to the ACA.
LMAO @ Libby’s weasel denial. If you wrote that, I missed it. I don’t read everything you write here, (that would prove to simply be far too insufferable).
In any case you have carried water for Obama and ObamaCare often enough and always are quick to slur Obama’s critics by calling them “racists”.
Nice try.
Can someone explain to me how a regulation to set up the “grandfather” clause for premiums was added to ObamaCare in July of 2010 by Sebelius became part of the law signed by Obama in March 2010?
Since the regulations was added after the bill became law and not before wouldn’t that make it outside of the law?
Remember that video the DNC put out showing a “Paul Ryan” shoving grannie in a wheelchair off of the cliff? Turns out it was Obama pushing that chair instead and it held just about every American. Disastrous…devastating….death spiral….crises
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Brit Hume on Democrats breaking ranks with Obama: “This is as bad a political disaster as I’ve ever seen”:
http://therightscoop.com/brit-hume-on-democrats-breaking-ranks-with-obama-this-is-as-bad-a-political-disaster-as-ive-ever-seen/
Here is one of the plans presented in the past to replace ObamaCare.
August 16, 2013 4:00 AM
Tom Price’s Plan to Replace Obamacare:
“He has thrice proposed a comprehensive alternative, but few have noticed.
Former Speaker Newt Gingrich scolded Republicans this week for having “zero” ideas for how to replace Obamacare, a law the GOP desperately wants to repeal. It is an argument often employed by Democrats, who have been on the defensive lately as the president’s signature law has encountered a series of setbacks, and is becoming increasingly unpopular.
Either way, the notion that Republicans have no plan to replace Obamacare is news to Representative Tom Price (R., Ga.), who in June introduced a comprehensive alternative health-care plan — for the third time since 2009. It was originally introduced as the Obamacare alternative from the conservative Republican Study Committee (RSC), which Price chaired at the time.”
Continued…
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/355963/tom-prices-plan-replace-obamacare-andrew-stiles
Re #17 Peggy :
Can someone explain to me how a regulation to set up the “grandfather” clause for premiums was added to ObamaCare in July of 2010 by Sebelius became part of the law signed by Obama in March 2010?
I CAN! Under Obama’s form of government unelected government bureaucrat appointees can and are encouraged to write law.
Farmer Obama —
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BY7bK30CEAIzoOX.jpg:large
#1 that is on Kaiser
#2 Any policy that was sold after the law wa passed and it was not up to par wa a scam in the first place.
#3 Policies that were up to par were grandfathered in unless the insurance company changed something.
So get on the exchange and get a policy that provides coverage.
the TPP, and many other bills are important. The Tea Party distraction is to keep control of the media to hide what is really going on!
How much money has the Tea party cost taxpayers on the phony scandal investigations? One after the other to hold gov in a standstill untill they dismantle Democracy for corporate rule? That is what privatize means! Wall Street control!
Well here ya go ! the future under Tea Party nation as shown in AZ
http://aattp.org/insult-injury-arizona-firefighters-slap-couple-lost-home-20k-bill/
#20 Pie
Thanks, I understand now what Pelosi meant when she said, “We have to pass it to find out what’s in it.”
This administration is treating ObamaCare just like they do our Constitution. They’re applying and rewriting it to meet their progressive agenda of “transforming” our Republic into a socialist state. Sebelius is welding her power just like Holder did with Fast and Furious and the voter suppression acts and Obama has done with the Congress when he’s acted upon his threat of, “If Congress won’t act I will.”
Yup, Pie I completely get it. We have a dictator in our Oval Office supported by a bunch of lying Democrats who will do and say anything to destroy this country. And they’ll succeed if ALL, including true Kennedy type Democrats, who don’t want to live in a socialist style state don’t vote every one of them out of office in 2014 and 2016.
Dewey: “#2 Any policy that was sold after the law wa passed and it was not up to par wa a scam”
LIE!
“How much money has the Tea party cost taxpayers on the phony scandal investigations?”
ZERO! Legislators are working and we are paying for their work whether they are writing law or investigating fraud, malfeasance, and corruption.
“corporate rule”
What power do corporations have to force anything on the people? The ONLY entity attempting to take our freedoms, including our property, and control what we must buy and what we cannot buy through RULE and domination is the extremist progressive bunch that has taken over the Democrat Party. You are a conspiracy theorists spoiler with ties to unions and the extremist element of the Democrat Party pretending to an independent thinker”. Pah…what a joke! You fool no one.
Re AZ couple who lost their home to fire: Rural volunteer fire departments have been around for a long time, long before the Tea Party ever existed…and you know that Dewey unless you’ve been living under a rock. You are, as usual, running an intentional, Rules for Radicals, smear campaign.
Wow. I’m really surprised because Kaiser helped write the ACA. I read a response to a letter to the editor in the ER the other day when someone was complaining about their insurance and the response said that if you go to Covered California then they might find out they can get better insurance for a cheaper price. Your son should try this.
I know that at our company for many years the plans change and we have to get different plans. We were always changing and our rates were always going way up even before the ACA.
The biggest problem with the ACA is it is a tax giveaway to insurance companies who still get to play their games with people’s lives.
I should also say that states that didn’t form their own exchanges should be fined for mooching off the Federal government. The California website works great. I’ve heard Oregon’s is terrible though. Each state should support itself and stop mooching off of the rest of us.
Prove that is a Lie! I have come to the sad conclusion this Tea party is all out to destroy America. Reminds me of WW2 Propaganda. facts are facts and Americans do not ike the Tea party for a reason.
lets see Ted Cruz is the anointed one, Rand paul copy’s Wikipedia for speeches ad the sheeple just eat it up!…..LOL
I stand by my statement. Sorry but American democracy means something to the rest of us.
All a scam because profits come before humans!
The ACA started in the GOP thinktank heritage Foundation………FACT
“Thanks Tina, it looks like he is stuck with higher premiums, the 3 plans offered are really not making it for his situation.”
That’s what I remembered … 3 plans from Kaiser. How about you and your family be objective and do research about this? We want to hear a report of your son’s foray onto the California Exchange.
I got an answer to my question about how regulation to cancel plans was added months after ObamaCare was passed. It’s explained beginning at the 5:40 time on the below video.
http://gopthedailydose.com/2013/11/12/sen-rand-paul-reveals-barack-obama-wrote-regulation-cancel-insurance-every-democrat-voted/
The latest attempt to cover the Presidents lies about keeping the insurance you currently have is that the old polices were “substandard”.
What an arrogant a$$h*L#!
The Obama, Pelosi, Reid plan is about control and this certainly proves it!
What about freedom? What about personal choice?
“Oh don’t bother about those things,” says the dictator. This is better for you.
Hahahaha….Ted Cruz was right six weeks ago and now Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein and McCain (wacco-bird) are parroting what Cruz said during his filibuster. Pathetic!!
Charles Krauthammer has declared this may be the end to liberalism. Hurray!!!!
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/charles-krauthammer-obamacare-liberals-99785.html
Stay tuned for Obama’s speech this morning at 8:30 to try and save his sorry butt and his followers seat in Congress. Will he propose to fix this mess by following the constitution and go through Congress or will he do another executive order?
Sorry to see America hit bottom to realize socialism doesn’t work. Never has and never will. Feel so sorry for all of those really sick people who now have no insurance. Lives will be ruined and people will die because of Liberal’s thirst for power and control.
So where are the policy details, rate, coverage? All the rage!
Oh and Thank you for the economy the Republicans left us including the Crash and Illegal war! Good luck selling that stuff! LOL
I sure Hope you guys run Cruz it will be a hoot watching his lies get busted! But we all know he is just the first Tea Party puppet. Kind of Like Cain was. Follow the Sheeple for lots of fun as the Koch Clown car fuels up it’ election engines! Elections 24/7 make lots of money!
After all he has a birth cert from Canada!
Dewey tell me exactly what policy Republicans put in place that caused the crash.
Toxic loans were brought to us via Democrat redistribution legislation, lowered standards of lending, and activists harassing and threatening lawsuits if loans were not made.
The Bundled securities were brought to us via the Clinton Democrats in control of Fannie Mae.
Democrats had control of the House and Senate for the last two years of Bush’s presidency.
The single lender that got into big trouble, Countrywide, was a friend of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, both big Democrats!
Bush warned for at least six years that there were problems at Fannie and Freddie and his warnings were soundly rejected by Barney Frank and the Democrats who controlled Congress:
GWB Whitehouse:
I repeat…what evidence do you have that Republican polices or ideals caused the crash…I want specifics!
NEXT:
The Iraq war was not an illegal war!!! That is a talking point of the radical progressive left’s Bush smear machine!
“Wikipedia:
Dewey you are always harping about facts…there ya go!