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“Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.” – Abraham Lincoln, November 19, 1863
Abraham Lincoln delivered this famous speech 150 Years ago today. We may not be fighting in the fields and hollows with swords and breechloaders but we are a sorely divided nation. This speech is as timely today as it was in Lincoln’s day. The words and sentiment have long endured; let us hope the cause of liberty continues to endure.
This version of the speech is written on the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC. There are other, slightly different, versions. Find out why, and read the differing copy at Abraham Lincoln Online
Obama refused invitation to speak at the ceremony extended to him over the past year. Gettysburg, PA is a 20 minute helicopter ride from DC.
He also omitted the words, “under God” from his portion of the documentary by Ken Burns.
Obama delivers Gettysburg Address on YouTube, leaves out ‘under God’:
President Obama opted to leave out the words “under God” in his rendition of President Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address filmed for a website put together by documentary filmmaker Ken Burns.”
http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/19/obama-delivers-gettysburg-address-on-youtube-leaves-out-under-god/
Yes Peggy, I read yesterday he had turned down the invitation. It would be a tough gig but it really is an important event that cried out for the President’s presence.
I commented on the Gettysburg address challenge article about his leaving God out of his recorded version of the address and asked…hasn’t he done this before? (Made a meatloaf for dinner in the interim)
In searching for the answer I discovered he has. But it’s not just by Obama but also Diane Sawyer and Harry Reid, among others. The omission in 2008 was in recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. This is not a particularly big deal because the words reflect a personal conviction. An atheist can swear allegiance without recognizing God…it would be meaningless if he left it in. But Obama claims to be Christian so his omission raises questions.
The Gettysburg Address is another matter. These are not his words nor do they represent an oath. He has an obligation to recite the address as delivered, doesn’t he?
I also discovered an article in the LA Times that is of interest:
They never stop…I don’t know what to think of Obama’s omissions.
I understand there are four copies of Lincoln’s address, two with the “under God” and two without. His choice to leave it out brings one to ask why. Especially if he is a Christian as he claims to be.
I’ve also changed how I feel about him not going to Gettysburg. I’m glad he didn’t, because I don’t think he’s worthy of standing where Honest Abe once stood.
Epic fail!
Disregard for the actual truth and propaganda sites are Anti American!
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“The project’s website now clarifies that Obama read the Nicolay copy at the request of filmmaker Ken Burns, in part because of the speech’s historical significance. Its one of two manuscripts of the speech held by the Library of Congress.”
http://news.yahoo.com/why-president-obama-didnt-under-god-while-reading-191035734.html
Lions and Tigers and Bears oh no! Who cares how another person recites something! One persons Religion is not the dictator. We are a country with the freedom to choose one’s religion. Freedom is not religious nut jobs dictating their beliefs.
There are a few different copies of the Gettysburg address. So who cares ask ken Burns! We as citizens will not be dictated to.
The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931), who was a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist!
LOL It was changed several times. Religion will not dictate to this country like the Middle East Does.
Say the pledge written by the Christian socialist however ya want. I pledge to remove the Tea Party threats to our country and allow freedom of religion.
“Fascism will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a Bible.” ~ Sinclair Lewis, circa 1935
“Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels.” ~ William Samuel Johnson, circa 1775
If the shoe fits! Just Sayin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
P.S. President Obama does not have to go to the engagements a citizen in Chico wants. Ask Him!
Ya think a president is in charge of his schedule completely? Ya think there may be pressing work in the white house!
I hear there are good government and civics classes around. The Koch Brothers Constitution site is a joke and propaganda. I will never let the Koch brothers destroy this country.
Peggy, as I explained on the other article, Obama did not leave out the phrase “under God.” The draft he was given, which is believed by some to be the first, does not contain that phrase. There are five different drafts of the GA, and two do not contain the phrase “under God.” This information is readily available on the website of the Gettysburg Foundation, and could have easily been discovered by the Daily Caller if they had been interested in doing research on their claims before making them. But they’re clearly not.
I wonder who the president thinks he is pandering to by mauling Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address. Maybe the words were left of the teleprompter. Maybe the words were displayed by he blinked.
Maybe he is such a self absorbed narcissist he does anything that he pleases to do or maybe he will ask Burns for a do over.
Oh, I get it. Obama was reading the Nicolay and Hay versions instead of the actual Gettysburg address as it was delivered.
I don’t see any reason to do this, but no big whoop.
Dewey your impressions of what people tea party people intend is so far off base you just can’t be taken seriously. I just hope you don’t cause a stroke with all this unnecessary worry.
“P.S. President Obama does not have to go to the engagements a citizen in Chico wants.”
Nobody says he does!!!!!
We do get to have an opinion whether you like it or not! Otherwise that would be you acting like a dictator. Mirror?
“Ya think a president is in charge of his schedule completely? Ya think there may be pressing work in the white house!”
I think he plays golf an awful lot and if he has time for that and a basketball game in Oregon he has time to be at the 150th anniversary of the Gettysburg Address, especially since he made such a big deal about Lincoln early in his presidency.
But in addition to that, as President of our nation he represents the people. It would be nice to have our President accept his leadership position. Whoever does his scheduling missed a great opportunity for him…maybe that should bother you.
“I will never let the Koch brothers destroy this country.”
Woof!
You know the job will be easy because they have no intention of destroying this country. In fact they contribute a lot to this country.
Re #1 Peggy :
Thanks for the story link Peggy. Here is something you and others may be interested in. Mark Steyn’s summary and analysis of ObamaCare and the president’s recent press conference is the best I have read to date.
Thus Spake Obama
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/364093/thus-spake-obama-mark-steyn
Chris the information is actually on the link in my article. I had tp post it quickly so I didn’t read through the other drafts.
Still on the 150th anniversary I think it would have been a nice gesture to read the draft that Lincoln actually used and is recognized on his memorial.
GW played more golf than Obama. Fact. We made jokes not hated then. Golf is exercise and quite frankly with the stress of that office I prefer any President to Exercise and get a clear head.
Want to talk about work days? Congress works very little and the Tea Party is only there to block all and everything.
They inside trade, slip in their earmarks and out and out lie. I realize they just read the propaganda handed to them and often get embarrassed cause they had no facts. But they use to investigate not have their low paid staff google around the propaganda Blogs .
Rand Paul? Wikipedia speeches? really?
Who said you do not get an opinion? Exactly where is that post please supply it. opinions used to be based off facts not created fiction.
The Koch brothers the biggest polluters in this country are the enemy. They fund allot of propaganda, they hare buying out the political system down to the city council levels. The Koch brothers have been exposed. At least the Tea Party now announces they are on the Koch train! Publish it! stand up and scream it!
leadership? ya mean when the Tea party has an agenda to block any and everything you try to do and say it public.
Well my friend the tea party is treading on many Americans and we are pissed.
I read and listen to all Tea Party Propaganda, I am in the town halls, I am on the calls. Yes because I have no problem with different views that is Democracy.
I have a problem with the out and out constant lies, The blocking in our congress cause only what they want will ever be allowed to pass like a dictatorship.
The voter suppression, The marshal law and selling of public assets, the goal to remove all citizens rights for a corporate rule and not at least being honest about it.
Ya see the Tea Party is represented by their elected officials. They are constantly lying, getting away with it cause the media is now state TV.
There are other republicans and democrats guilty as well however the Koch agenda, heritage Foundation, freedomworks, ALEC and other orgs are all on the same agenda to corporate rule.
That is exactly why the Tea party is not interested in the TPP. Cause it creates a World court that is over the sovernighty of any country who signs it.
600 Corporate CEO’s writing a law that makes humans their slaves.
So let’s enjoy the conversation and get to real truth and differences.
The blogs used here are funded propaganda, Dick Army even busted Rush Limbaugh for reading freedom works commercials like news!
The mere fact Tea Party will not accept true facts and is trained to talk past it all for an agenda is obvious. All truth is blocked.
I find it unchristian like myself. Each to their own, just use facts and realize We are a diverse country and there are many religions here.
That to push people into poverty after an unregulated market crash and deficit caused by starting 2 wars on a credit card at the same time giving tax cuts and a tax cut to move our jobs overseas is not right.
Then blame those who lost their jobs, healthcare and are working in poverty.
Jesus told me to help those people not persecute them.
I get it you do not like Obama, any democrat, any progressive, well hate is not what Jesus teaches us.
I am not an Obama fan but blocking any and every bill for the people and only wanting more tax cuts for the extremely rich who have turned congress into a rich dudes brokering house of laws is the end
So what will La Malfa being saying on the call tomorrow? See ya there! Would love to discuss the call! I welcome honest differences just do not like propaganda.
Dewey should seriously consider getting a soap box and doing his ranting and raving schtick daily down at the Chico City Plaza. Such talent should not go unappreciated by the general public.
Sticks and Stones
Why are facts and truth the enemy?
NY Daily News:
Bush also graciously said that Obama shouldn’t be criticized. I say graciously because Bush was viciously criticized by the left for most of his eight years and that includes President Obama who until recently has ungraciously continued to blame Bush for all of his problems.
If the President can make time for golf and still meet his obligations as President I’m all for it. The President is under a great deal of pressure and needs time out.
Events like these are planned at least a year in advance. Obama or one of his aids would have made this decision in advance. It’s a mystery. why would he not take advantage of this wonderful opportunity?
Pie I really do think you are on to something.
Oh, and after reading the latest missive I’ve decided it’s time to take to the streets to ask some of those living out there for a better job. I’m sure they have the wealth it takes to create one for me.
#5 Dewey: “P.S. President Obama does not have to go to the engagements a citizen in Chico wants. Ask Him!
Dewey, as I said above I personally didn’t care if he went, it was the citizens of Gettysburg who wanted him there and extended the invitation to him a year ago. According to the PA journalist in the below video Obama only had a couple of meetings and a speaking engagement with the WSJ very late in the afternoon.
In other words it looks like he didn’t go because he didn’t want to. I just find this very strange since he has said he was a great admirer of Lincoln and even used The Lincoln Bible both times he was sworn in. And having his advisor try to explain his absence by saying he had to fix ObamaCare is laughable.
Again, I’m glad he didn’t go. And now to find out he and his cronies “cooked the books” from the census bureau two months before the election so he could present a fictitious employment rate to steal the election from Romney.
Bottom line is he could have been there if he wanted to. He obviously didn’t want to go. So be it. Move on.
Local community ‘stunned’ by Obama decision to not attend Gettysburg event:
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/11/05/republican-senator-enzis-2010-predictions-about-obamacare-come-true
#10 Pie, Agree, it’s good. My head is spinning trying to keep up with all of the scandals and lies. Every day it’s another one. Today there were three, I think. Gettysburg, fictitious employment number just before the election, Benghazi eyewitness details finally coming out, oh and the usual Obama blaming the GOP for the health care website failure.
Here is my favorite line from the article.
“The same president who had unilaterally commanded that people be allowed to keep their health plans indignantly threatened to veto any such law to that effect: It only counts if he does it — geddit? As his court eunuchs at the Associated Press obligingly put it: “Obama Will Allow Old Plans.” It’s Barry’s world; we just live in it.”
“Barry’s world”….Yup, that’s where we all live now. Under King Barry who changes our laws now from a podium in front of the media instead of through our Congress.
“Obama was reading the Nicolay and Hay versions instead of the actual Gettysburg address as it was delivered.”
Dude … it was delivered, most likely, from the Hay version.
Later versions were embellished to placate the mob … you being the mob … and blind to the greater import of the speech.
Re #14 Dewey : “Why are facts and truth the enemy?”
They aren’t and neither are you. You are just another hapless progressive stooge who utters complete untruths, half truths, misrepresentations and false narratives. Reasonably intelligent and informed people know better.
In any case, Dewey, I believe your talents for ranting and raving should not go unnoticed and appreciated by the public at large. You are much bigger than Post Scripts and their meager online audience at this remote corner of the internet. I believe you have and have huge potential for a mass following. Much more than you realize.
Seriously, a soap box down at Chico City Plaza is YOU, dude! Get or make an antique style megaphone and give it a whirl, you are a natural.
Pie: “Oh, I get it. Obama was reading the Nicolay and Hay versions instead of the actual Gettysburg address as it was delivered.
I don’t see any reason to do this, but no big whoop.”
Tina: “Still on the 150th anniversary I think it would have been a nice gesture to read the draft that Lincoln actually used and is recognized on his memorial.”
It really wouldn’t kill either of you to do some basic research before you make assumptions. Many historians believe that either the Nicolay or Hay copy, neither of which include the phrase “under God,” is the version Lincoln actually delivered. There is debate over this, but the fact is we just don’t know for sure. Obama may have very well been reading from the version of the speech that was delivered.
I am really tired of uninformed criticism.
Sources:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanraab/2013/11/19/5-unanswered-questions-about-the-gettysburg-address/
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/19/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-under-god-controversy-surrounding-the-original-gettysburg-address/
Tina: “Events like these are planned at least a year in advance. Obama or one of his aids would have made this decision in advance. It’s a mystery. why would he not take advantage of this wonderful opportunity?”
Reagan did nothing on the 125th anniversary of the address. Did you complain then?
Why all the anger? ya see I can read the propaganda supplied over on the Tea party sites. There is no simple investigation done before posted. And I am the bad one?
Do I attack you? NO That would be too much like a hate Group
How about supplying proof I lie? How about really discussing the issues using facts? Sitting around all day attacking others with falsely provided material is not journalism.
The soapbox’s are already here on this blog. Americans can differ in opinion but when propaganda is developed under false pretenses I question the purpose.
Not a word so far on the the Tea Party congressman who got busted with cocaine possession while he spews out to drug test welfare recipients?
Where is the apology? That is disgusting.
I do not lie, Truth is now all lies?
Let’s see what our split the farm up to get more subsidies Congressman has to say tonight and talk about that using facts. It is OK to disagree, it is not Ok to print propaganda.
It is OK to make an honest mistake but ya know TeaParty.org stories are available to all and should be fact checked
Peggy: “My head is spinning trying to keep up with all of the scandals and lies. Every day it’s another one. Today there were three, I think. Gettysburg,”
This story represents neither a scandal nor a lie on Obama’s part. The only lie came from the conservative media you rely on who told you that Obama “ommitted” the phrase “under God” from his speech. Unless…could this be the work of Time Traveler Obama again? Is the scandal that he went back and deleted the phrase from the original drafts of the speech?
“fictitious employment number just before the election,”
LOL, conservatives always claim that official statistics MUST be fictitious when they don’t like them, with no evidence whatsoever. You thought the polls favoring Obama a year ago were fictitious as well. How’d that turn out?
“Benghazi eyewitness details finally coming out,”
I know that new photos have been revealed, but they don’t contradict anything the White House has said. I’m not sure what else you might be talking about.
“oh and the usual Obama blaming the GOP for the health care website failure.”
I might grant you this one.
Peggy, I decided to research your claims about the fake employment number. That accusation has apparently been made by one former Census worker. But according to the Census Bureau, he was fired in 2011, and thus would not have had any knowledge about the jobs report in Fall 2012.
Reasonable people will see that and conclude that the guy is probably lying. Unreasonable people will see it as more evidence for their conspiracy theory. I already know which category you will fall into, Peggy.
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The U.S. Census Bureau said Tuesday that a source named in a New York Post story claiming it had “faked” unemployment data hasn’t worked at the Bureau since 2011.
A Census spokesperson confirmed to Business Insider that the Census Bureau employee quoted in the story, Julius Buckmon, has not worked there since August 2011. This was first reported by CNBC’s Steve Liesman.
The Post story never mentions this fact. A spokesman for the Post didn’t immediately return a request for comment as to why.
“We have no reason to believe this isn’t an isolated incident,” the Census spokesperson told Business Insider. “This was an employee who was willfully disobeying Census procedures and disobeying the law.”
The spokesperson said that because of privacy laws, she couldn’t comment the reasons for a specific employee leaving the Bureau. But the spokesperson did say that when the Bureau discovers inappropriate activity, the matter is referred to the Department of Labor’s Inspector General. The field representative would be subject to disciplinary action if the IG finds any wrongdoing, including termination.
The story never provided a specific timeframe for Buckmon’s employment at the Census Bureau. But the article painted the picture, citing Buckmon and anonymous sources, that Census employees have manipulated data that has gone into the monthly unemployment report.
The report — titled “Census ‘faked’ 2012 election jobs report” — claims that employees conducting the household survey (the one that determines the unemployment rate) were pressured by higher-ups to fudge surveys to fill in data gaps when they could not get adequate response rates.
Beyond Buckmon, the Post story cites an anonymous “knowledgeable source” who claimed that the data manipulation “escalated at the time President Obama was seeking reelection in 2012 and continues today.”
This source is also responsible for the allegation that a weird-looking jobs report in September 2012 — which conservatives at the time suggested could have been intentionally manipulated — was “faked” to produce a decline in the unemployment rate from 8.1% in August to 7.8% in September.
The Post story also cites confidential documents — but all of the issues cited from the documents are from 2010.
The Census spokesperson said that the Bureau has more than 7,000 field representatives like Buckmon, so it would be close to impossible for one employee to have a significant effect on the overall report.
Others, like Business Insider’s Joe Weisenthal, also pointed out issues with the Post’s story, like the fact that the September jobs report was very much on trend with the declining unemployment rate.”
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ny-post-election-jobs-numbers-bls-obama-census-julius-buckmon-2013-11#ixzz2lCwiTi3g
Forbes agrees with me that it’s best Obama skipped the 150th Gettysburg Address anniversary.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenhayward/2013/11/18/obamas-gettysburg-skip-may-confirm-clint-eastwoods-thoughts-about-him/
Ronald Reagan traveled 4,000 miles for the 40th anniversary of the Normandy invasion. I find it hard to believe he wouldn’t travel to Gettysburg if possible.
http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/11/20/greta-maybe-pres-obama-all-his-great-education-skipped-american-history-or-just-doesnt
Chris, please provide your information source that says Reagan did not attend the 125th ceremony. I am unable to locate.
#25 Chris: “This story represents neither a scandal nor a lie on Obama’s part.”
I never said Obama lied. Please restrain yourself to what I did say and stop trying to twist my remarks to meet your agenda.
“My head is spinning trying to keep up with all of the scandals and lies.”
Chris: The only lie came from the conservative media you rely on who told you that Obama “ommitted” the phrase “under God” from his speech. Unless…could this be the work of Time Traveler Obama again? Is the scandal that he went back and deleted the phrase from the original drafts of the speech?”
Once again you are misrepresenting what I said. I corrected my first statement and said there were four copies. He had the choice to use the “under God” quote or not. His choosing to not is known as a tell.
Chris: ““Benghazi eyewitness details finally coming out,” I know that new photos have been revealed, but they don’t contradict anything the White House has said.
I’m not sure what else you might be talking about.”
What I’m talking about was the eyewitness’ accounts presented the other day before the committee of what happened during the attack, which contradicts what was reported to us and the dead’s families by this administration.
“State Department employees at the Benghazi compound knew they were in a death trap and made a series of radio distress calls to the CIA annex during the terror assault last year, according to congressional sources familiar with recent testimony on the attack from five CIA personnel.
Sources told Fox News that the radio calls, which were described in closed testimony before the House Intelligence Committee, were characterized as almost frantic, with State Department employees who knew they could not defend themselves “pleading” for their lives.
When the CIA team arrived from the annex about a mile away, they found the State Department employees without guns that could adequately protect them; one of the agents was found hiding in the consulate, apparently in a closet. The testimony lends more weight to repeated claims, in the wake of the attack, that the consulate was not adequately protected despite being located in a volatile and violent area prone to attack.
When the CIA personnel were asked for their reaction to the administration’s initial explanation that an anti-Islam video and a demonstration gone awry were to blame for the attack, Fox News is told they were seething with anger because everything on the ground — from their perspective — showed it was a premeditated attack.
At least three of the five — who were all in Benghazi — responded to the scene that night. The witnesses testified that five mortars rained down on the annex in less than a minute. They pointed to those details as more evidence of a professionally trained team, describing the attack on the annex as akin to a professional hit on the operation in order to drive it out of Benghazi.
Congressional sources say the testimony seems to further conflict with and undercut the briefing three days after the attack by then-CIA Director David Petraeus, who likened the attack to a flash mob. When pressed on the number and precision of the mortars, Petraeus offered that Benghazi was flooded with mortars, and played down their accuracy by suggesting they could have been fired from the back of a pick-up truck.
When Petraeus appeared on the Hill in November, following his resignation from the CIA over his admitted affair, he tried to claim that he knew it was a terrorist attack all along and insisted that he did not put the emphasis on the anti-Islam film.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/20/pleading-distress-calls-made-from-us-consulate-on-night-benghazi-attack/
“Within 24 hours of the attack, both the embassy in Tripoli and the CIA station chief sent word to Washington that it was a planned militant attack. Still, days later, the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Susan Rice, said the attack began as a spontaneous protest over the film.”
Continued…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/27/benghazi-attack-libyan-wi_n_2032005.html
Have to go. Will address the employment numbers issue later.
Chris: “Reagan did nothing on the 125th anniversary of the address. Did you complain then?”
Like Peggy I could find no evidence that showed Reagan did or did not attend (other than a few snarky comments that he didn’t), however I could also find no evidence that there was an event on the 125th anniversary. Perhaps there was not an invitation to attend?
I am more surprised than critical about his turning down the invitation. Obama has used Lincoln as inspiration for his presidency. Hiffington Post reported that he took the oath of office using the Lincoln Bible.
At a time when his approval ratings are sinking I would think a good speech on such an occasion would have been seen as an opportunity.
Obama’s presidency has been divisive, however. Perhaps they feared he would be criticized from that perspective.
I have an appointment this afternoon so I don’t have much time now but I would like to quickly point out on the employment number issue that month after month prior to the election the employment numbers were always revised the following month and were not as good as had been initially reported. So there is a pattern of reporting error that precedes this charge.
Chris, here is what I could find so far the newest issue aka scandal. Since it is so new with information still being sorted out I’ll reserve my opinion until more facts are know.
New York Post
Census ‘faked’ 2012 election jobs report:
http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-faked-2012-election-jobs-report/
Jack Welch questions jobs numbers:
October 5, 2012
“The big drop in the unemployment rate a month before the presidential election brought cries of disbelief and conspiracy theories from Jack Welch and other critics of the Obama administration Friday. But the Labor Department was quick to dismiss such claims.
“Unbelievable jobs numbers..these Chicago guys will do anything..can’t debate so change numbers,” tweeted Welch, the former CEO of General Electric (GE, Fortune 500).”
http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/05/news/economy/welch-unemployment-rate/index.html
Jack Welch On Fox News: ‘These Numbers Don’t Smell Right’ (UPDATE) (VIDEOS) (Multiple videos appear after the first one.)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/jack-welch-fox-news_n_1943311.html
Tina and Peggy, I just Googled “Reagan Gettysburg Address” and the first page resulted in five different articles explaining that Reagan did nothing to recognize the 125th anniversary. Here’s one that points out only one president, William Howard Taft, ever attended an anniversary of the address:
http://www.eveningsun.com/local/ci_24429264/some-local-leaders-disappointed-obama-wont-be-at
You had no idea whether it was tradition for the president to attend such anniversaries, but you and the right-wing media are determined to latch onto ANY criticism of Obama, no matter how ridiculous. I don’t understand why. There are real things to criticize him for! Especially now! His lie that “If you like your plan, you can keep it. Period.” was a silver platter to you guys. Why do you still feel the need to invent reasons to dislike him?
Peggy even admits that she would have criticized Obama even if he had attended the anniversary, thereby admitting that her critiques are completely devoid of substance and rationality.
“Once again you are misrepresenting what I said. I corrected my first statement and said there were four copies. He had the choice to use the “under God” quote or not. His choosing to not is known as a tell.”
I’m not misrepresenting what you said; what you said was and continues to be ridiculous. You’ve already been told that Obama was asked by Ken Burns to read the original copy. He did not choose it. And even if he had, you don’t think there could be other reasons other than the “under God” line? It’s the original copy! The one that Lincoln himself may have read from according to some historians. You honestly can’t think of any reason why Obama would want to read from that copy other than “Ooga booga scary secularist!”?
This is not rational behavior.
A whole day was wasted on this crap so the media could make money. Everybody gets it Obama is the boogeyman for the Tea party now can the world move on yet?
Chris I saw a few of those news items too but the ones I saw were left wing opinion oriented complaining about conservatives questioning his nonattendance or his choice of versions of the speech. I was looking for something more substantial about Reagan’s non-attendance at the 125th. The article you posted contained a list of presidents that had visited Gettysburg but did not say whether the visits were on the anniversary date. Reagan’s name was not on that list so since he was president for that anniversary perhaps it was surmised that he did not attend when perhaps he was not invited.
I just read my post and my comments and I found nothing particularly critical of the President. If anything I was just curious because it seems a tailor made invitation to speak for Obama and I cut him some slack.
“you and the right-wing media are determined to latch onto ANY criticism of Obama, no matter how ridiculous. I don’t understand why.”
A. His presidency is a failure and he has made multiple mistakes including misrepresenting what he was about from the beginning and lying to the people repeatedly over many months.
B. No matter how badly he (or his advisers, underlings, and czars) screw up, no matter how bad the economy continues to be, no matter how terrible the jobs picture, the numbers of people in real economic crisis…the left defends, excuses, and promotes him.
C. This is the way the left has chosen to play politics for decades and it has and has had major media support.
Chris you cannot honestly say you have forgotten the behavior of the leftover during the eight yeas of the Bush administration.
” He did not choose it. And even if he had, you don’t think there could be other reasons other than the “under God” line? It’s the original copy! The one that Lincoln himself may have read from according to some historians.”
Not quite accurate. Media Matters reports he was asked to read the original draft…others have said he was given the original draft.
According to the link, Abraham Lincoln Online it was the first draft. Its doubtful that Lincoln read from his first draft rather than the final version he wrote…and which was later chosen for his memorial in DC.
Chris not all comments from the right about the things Obama does are criticism…mine certainly were not.
#31 Chris: “Peggy even admits that she would have criticized Obama even if he had attended the anniversary, thereby admitting that her critiques are completely devoid of substance and rationality.”
Facts are facts Chris and opinions are opinions. Neither of us are entitled to alter the facts but we are entitled to our own opinions. What I stated was MY opinion.
Chris: “I’m not misrepresenting what you said; what you said was and continues to be ridiculous. You’ve already been told that Obama was asked by Ken Burns to read the original copy. He did not choose it. And even if he had, you don’t think there could be other reasons other than the “under God” line? It’s the original copy! The one that Lincoln himself may have read from according to some historians. You honestly can’t think of any reason why Obama would want to read from that copy other than “Ooga booga scary secularist!”?”
There were FOUR copies/draft and like Tina said I find it more plausible that he would have read the final fourth copy instead of the first draft. But, since no recording exist we will never know. Therefore, I merely expressed my opinion. I never represented it as a fact.
Chris: “This is not rational behavior.”
My behavior since you do not know my is your opinion as to whether it is rational or not.
In my opinion your behavior of consistently attacking people you don’t agree with is not rational.