Posted by Tina
An Ohio teenager is experiencing the insanity of progressive, politically correct thinking:
An Ohio high school student has already been jailed and kicked out of school for having a pocket knife in his car, and now he fears he could lose his dream of serving in the Army.
Jordan Wiser, a student at Ashtabula County Technical School in Jefferson, is finishing up his senior year from home after school officials searched his car in December and found the folding knife and an Airsoft gun. School officials called police, who charged him with illegal conveyance of a weapon onto a school ground based on the three-inch knife.
The politically correct education of students is so pervasive that it now affects the ability of public servants to use common sense in applying our laws. Wake up people!
This progressive sees nothing progressive about harsh punishment for minors over silly trumped up “crimes.” You have no idea what the political affiliation of the administrators are.
Oh really? I think I have an idea. It comes from those who do this kind of stupidity all the time verses those who don’t and they clearly fall into two distinct political affiliations, and with virtual certainty. -Jack
Jack, as a teacher I have met scaredy cat administrators and teachers of both political affiliations. School policies generally cross party lines in their idiocy.
Chris, well, that’s disconcerting… geez…we’re a nation overrun with idiocy, eh?
Chris you’re right I have no idea what the political affiliations of the administrators are but it hardly matters. PC is a progressive concept. Progressive isn’t a political affiliation.
Unfortunately one of the other idiocies of progressivism is bullying to prevent opposing views.
Most administrators and teachers that affiliate with the more conservative elements of either party do not dare speak up since education and the teachers union has been taken over and is controlled by radical progressives.
“PC is a progressive concept.”
The term has its origins in communism, sure, but in its modern usage it typically means twisting language so as not to offend certain groups of people. Both parties have their own list of Things That Must Not Be Said. Do we not remember the Dixie Chicks controversy? How about “freedom fries?” That was political correctness gone mad, just as the left’s reaction to a Republican using the word “niggardly.”
“Unfortunately one of the other idiocies of progressivism is bullying to prevent opposing views.”
Yes, like this proud progressive:
“What does it say about the college co-ed Susan Fluke [sic] who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex — what does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She’s having so much sex she can’t afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex.”
(I’d just like to take a moment to remind our audience that Rush Limbaugh, in addition to being a gross bully, apparently also has no idea how female contraception works. Yes, despite being married three times to three separate women and having no children, Rush doesn’t know that the amount of birth control pills you’re taking and the money you’re spending on them has absolutely nothing to do with how much sex you’re having. I’m sorry the public education system of Rush’s day failed him as much as his subsequent marriages, but that’s no excuse to not do some basic research before going on the national airwaves and calling a woman a slut for disagreeing with him on public policy. So, in conclusion, Rush is a bully and an ignoramus and you should be embarrassed to listen to him.)
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/12/teen-jailed-for-13-days-after-emt-kit-pocketknife-and-found-in-his-car-and-thats-just-scratching-the-surface-of-jordan-wisers-nightmare/#
Should the above link be totally correct, Then Tina and Jack have once more pointed out the failures in a system rapidly sliding down hill.
There is nothing I read that defines the political leaning of these School personnel, however given todays Anti-freedom ideology that is absolutely progressively left leaning, my money is on Jack and his summation of these school people that their as far left of a Conservative response as it would get.
Chris: ” Both parties have their own list of Things That Must Not Be Said. Do we not remember the Dixie Chicks controversy? How about “freedom fries?”
Dixie Chicks was a protest; some conservatives quit buying their music.
Freedom Fries was a joke.
I’m not sure you fully grasp the nature of political correctness. It isn’t about a reaction or even a prejudice. It’s about the power elite in any group making it clear that attitudes and opinions had better conform to the progressive mindset and view. Certain terms are banned; everyone must share the same set of beliefs…conformity is what it amounts to but it is never thought of that way…group think is just right.
This kid was jailed because he wasn’t thinking right. There was no room for his reasoning or his responsible storing of items he carried for good cause. The progressive power structure has determined that the items are too dangerous and therefore banned.
Sorry Chris, I know you would love to make a morally equivalent case (And destroy Rush in the process) but the comparison is not the same.
Rush was very critical of Sandra Fluke who made a spectacle of herself before a trumped up Congressional hearing by claiming that women who attend one of the most prestigious law schools in the country cannot afford birth control and therefore the government must force that school to cover it in their medical plan even though the school is religiously affiliated with the Catholic Church. His attempt at absurdity backfired but was not fatal. The reason? The right is not PC. we don’t all have to think alike or behave alike and we also realize that everyone makes mistakes in judgement from time to time. Rush’s overall character overcomes the occasional mistake and are be forgiven when acknowledged…as this was.
“(I’d just like to take a moment …blah blah blah!
Yes, Rush Limbaugh doesn’t fit in the PC box. And you will do everything you can to make sure people hate him, as they should, if they are ever going to be acceptable and accepted in the collective.
Chris you are pathetically locked-in!
Harold thank you for bringing the details to our attention.
This is outrageous…we aARE living in a Brave New World. Adults with higher education training and degrees lack the common sense to determine an appropriate course of action!
This isn’t just a school official…it’s the judges too! If this kid doesn’t have this cleared on his record his life is in the toilet…for a damn pocketknife stored in an emergency kit. And he was given Psychological testing and passed and he’s still under duress?
Outrageous! PC run amok!!
Really this article should open the eyes of people to ridiculous and upsetting nature of this incident, because this is not what Schools are suppose to be.
One of the reasons might be in this past article about the evolution of training teachers.
How do we get politically correct students and schools? We get them by churning out politically correct teachers from teacher colleges and teacher credentialing programs which filter the teaching of education through the lens of political correctness.
A group called the ‘Race, Culture, Class and Gender Task Group at a College of Education and Human Development’ came out with new recommendations for teacher education classes. Evidently, according to them, teachers coming out of the University system did not possess the proper “cultural competence” which contributes to the poor academic showing of minority students in the state of Minnesota.
The focus of teacher education has changed from how to teach to how to be politically correct. The Minnesota example is just a current mirroring of what started a while back in states like California.
California’s Chapman University (the author of this article got her teacher credential from Chapman) is one of many colleges which provide year-long teacher credentialing certification to many future teachers. Back in the late 1990s, Chapman’s teacher credentialing program included many of the following class titles: Institution of Education, Literacy in the 21st Century, Teaching/Learning in the Elementary Classroom, and Collaboration in Inclusive Schools. There was only one required class specifically focusing on political correctness — it was titled Voice, Diversity, Equity, and Social Justice.
Now, Chapman University requires many of the following class titles: Literacy and Learning: Elementary Reading, Foundations of Education, Teaching and Learning in the Culturally Diverse Classroom I, Teaching and Learning in the Culturally Diverse Classroom II, Teaching and Learning in the Culturally Diverse Classroom III, and Voice, Diversity, Equity, and Social Justice. At Chapman, many of the classes that teach future teachers how to teach are also being taught through the lens of political correctness.
In a press release in October of this year (2009), U.S. Secretary of Education’s Arne Duncan stated, “By almost any standard, many if not most of the nation’s 1,450 schools, colleges, and departments of education are doing a mediocre job of preparing teachers for the realities of the 21st century classroom. America’s university-based teacher preparation programs need revolutionary change–not evolutionary tinkering.” The press release goes on to assert that “Teacher-preparation programs should ensure that new teachers will master the content of the subjects they’ll teach…”
(and to my thinking this paragraph is the most telling point of the article) “Mastery of the content of the subjects teachers will be teaching can only happen when that goal is paramount and the driving force behind the curricula at teacher colleges. However, when political correctness is held in higher esteem and given more instruction time in teacher colleges in places like Minnesota and California, mastery of the content of the subjects teachers will only be of secondary importance “
There are many excellent ideas in all variation of though and ideology, When America returns to the practice of “compromise between political parties” We all will benefit, and hopefully unite as a Country once again
Harold: “There was only one required class specifically focusing on political correctness — it was titled Voice, Diversity, Equity, and Social Justice.”
I don’t understand how this class title qualifies as “political correctness.” Preparing teachers for the diverse backgrounds of their students is important. Social justice is also an important concern and should not be trivialized as just a partisan goal or a political buzzword. If it was good enough for MLK Jr. it should be good enough for us. We want our students to have the opportunity to succeed no matter where they come from, and that’s what social justice means to me.
“Political correctness,” to me, means sacrificing what is important or what’s real in order to advance a partisan agenda. Now, maybe this class does that–but we can’t tell from the title alone.
Can we all agree that teachers should understand the diversity of their students, especially with today’s changing backgrounds? As a teacher you have to know where your students are coming from in order to get them where they need to be.
“There are many excellent ideas in all variation of though and ideology, When America returns to the practice of “compromise between political parties” We all will benefit, and hopefully unite as a Country once again”
I absolutely agree.
The above should say, “today’s changing demographics,” not “today’s changing backgrounds.”
Tina: “Dixie Chicks was a protest; some conservatives quit buying their music.”
Yes, because they insulted President Bush. How is that not political correctness? It fits your definition to a tee; the Dixie Chicks did not conform to conservative ideology, so they were shunned. You’ve cried “intimidation” over far less.
“Freedom Fries was a joke.”
Yes, and it was a goofy attempt to shame the French for not supporting the Iraq War. In other words, for not conforming to the conservative ideology of the day.
“The progressive power structure has determined that the items are too dangerous and therefore banned.”
Again, you don’t know that the power structure in this case is progressive. You’re just deciding they are because they did something you don’t like.
Progressives, in general, are against harsh punishments for minors for non-violent offenses. They also tend to be very anti-weapon, so we do have a conflict of progressive values here. Have you asked any progressives whether they’re OK with this boy’s treatment, Tina? I’m telling you that from my point of view, it was absolutely ridiculous. Especially since he had the pocket knife for his EMT duties, the kid shouldn’t have been punished at all.
“Rush was very critical of Sandra Fluke who made a spectacle of herself before a trumped up Congressional hearing by claiming that women who attend one of the most prestigious law schools in the country cannot afford birth control and therefore the government must force that school to cover it in their medical plan even though the school is religiously affiliated with the Catholic Church.”
Yeah…and? She had an opinion that did not conform to Rush Limbaugh’s, so he tried to bully and silence her. That is your exact definition of political correctness! I don’t care how ridiculous you think her position was. (You apparently don’t care that free contraception is the number #1 way to reduce the abortion rate, but that’s neither here nor there in this conversation.)
“The reason? The right is not PC. we don’t all have to think alike or behave alike and we also realize that everyone makes mistakes in judgement from time to time.”
Unless you think that colleges and employers should be required to cover birth control in their insurance plans, in which case: you’re a slut! Shun the non-believer!
“Rush’s overall character overcomes the occasional mistake and are be forgiven when acknowledged…as this was.”
Tina, this IS his overall character. There was nothing unique about Rush’s “slut” remarks except for the word itself. He constantly calls people names for disagreeing with him. He has said far worse; this one just got him more attention. (His whole reason for being.)
“Yes, Rush Limbaugh doesn’t fit in the PC box.”
Yeah, I am so limited and conformist because I think Rush is an idiot for not knowing how birth control pills work. How unfair of me to expect him to find out before accusing a stranger of having too much sex. Your argument is ridiculous.
“And you will do everything you can to make sure people hate him,”
All I’ve done is post Rush’s exact words and explain how they make no sense. I don’t have to do a whole lot of work to get people to hate Rush, Tina. He does it himself. Ironically, your refusal to acknowledge his pattern of bigotry and bullying is in itself political correctness. You are denying objective reality in order to tow the party line.
Lenin would be proud.
” The Minnesota example is just a current mirroring of what started a while back in states like California.”
California, a state that once ranked at the top, now sits at a ranking of 46 out in the fifty states. Way to lead!
Consider how this bleeds into our entire society…lawyers and judges who bring the PC filter into the courtroom, doctors who bring the PC filter into their practices (will they ask about your guns?), psychiatrists who bring their PC filter to the field of psychiatry, medical boards who decide treatments through the filter of PC. Indications that critical thinking has already left the stage.
“There are many excellent ideas in all variation of though and ideology, When America returns to the practice of “compromise between political parties” We all will benefit, and hopefully unite as a Country once again.”
Harold I don’t know if the above was your opinion or that of the articles author but I have to say I disagree. There can be no compromise when it comes to politically correct teaching. By definition PC is not about thinking; it is about indoctrination and social conformity…it is about controlling the way people perceive and think. It is a practice that must end!
What is needed is a return to the basics for those who teach and for students, respect for others as human beings; respect for and inclusion of differing opinions; attention to mastery of subject matter; teaching students to think.
Our colleges are expensive, in part, because of the addition and emphasis on PC courses.
As far as the country uniting again this will be difficult as long as one of the extremes continues to try to “fundamentally transform” our nation. We were united when every American was aware of and loved the fundamental values and ideals of our nation and would stand up and defend it. The radical left has little in preserving the freedoms we enjoy’ they prefer the collective and global governing principles and ideals. We are a nation divided and PC thinking and education is at the heart of the shift.
Re: Tina: “Dixie Chicks was a protest; some conservatives quit buying their music.”
Yes, because they insulted President Bush. How is that not political correctness?
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See how it works? When progressives cannot win an argument one of the things YOU CAN COUNT ON is that they will desperately try to render the terms meaningless.
What products a person chooses to purchase or not to purchase is not political correctness, but it may be directed by it. The notion that people who did not like the Dixie Chicks and thus refused to buy their products because they were insulting music industry whores is not an example of a choice directed by political correctness. Nor is it an example of political correctness.
Chris: ” As a teacher you have to know where your students are coming from in order to get them where they need to be.”
I’m not sure if you meant to say “where they are coming from” (ideals;position) or from “where they come” (neighborhood;country;social reality).
Teachers should take the time to get to know their students as individuals as well as their students’ levels of achievement in order to best serve them as individual students. I don’t think teaching for achievement in each subject means that a teacher should try to change how they teach to accommodate each individual student. Certainly some students may need a little more individual help and could be accommodated more specifically in those instances.
Demographics have nothing to do with the basics in education or what it is to be American. America is a melting pot…which means we come from another place but we come to be American…we melt. If we are ever to be a united America again Americanism has to take a prominent position. Students should be taught and have a basic understanding of American principles and ideals. learning about other cultures is an important part of education and belongs in social studies classes. It should not color or change the focus of education generally.
Chris I don’t have time to answer your questions to me now and I will be occupied until early this evening, but I will get to them.
By the way, “social justice” is progressive code for targeted hate and class warfare.
Boycotting and divesting from Israel while supporting Palestinians (which is all the rage amongst progressives these days) is simply the latest example of progressive “social justice”.
It has been said that progressivism is “nice fascism”, but I see nothing nice about it. Nothing at all. In fact I find progressivism more evil than fascism because it is insidious. At least you can take fascists at face value.
“There are many excellent ideas in all variation of though and ideology, When America returns to the practice of “compromise between political parties” We all will benefit, and hopefully unite as a Country once again”.
Tina those are my thoughts, but they were not about the article on Minnesota. My comment was directed toward the current inefficient workings of the Senate and House,by both parties or even any State assembly. It was not referencing solely on the PC article.
I am tired of listening to the elected talk about the obstruction caused by the other guy, it’s time they all realize they are the other guy in most cases. I believe there are many sources of resolve to any issue, you just have to open your mind and become receptive, a function lost in politics of today.
I want a working and efficient ‘COST EFFECTIVE’ government of a size and scope that does not require more and more Tax dollars, or hire people, just to support its bloated structure.
I have limited my support of party candidates as a group, in fact many times I just tear up the champaign requests and send that back as a small message, hopefully! I am actively looking for replacements for incumbent seats,and sending my support in that direction. I am through voting for a party candidate, just because I don’t like the other guy, that has gotten America no where but to mess we are in now, caused by both sides.
Pie Guevara: “insulting music industry whores”
You know, it would be a lot easier if you just started every comment with a disclaimer letting people know that nothing you say is going to be of any real value.
Tina: “doctors who bring the PC filter into their practices (will they ask about your guns?)”
Seriously? Doctors asking patients about basic safety is “political correctness?” This just shows how conservatives have abused the term far beyond its original meaning. “Political correctness” now apparently means “anything that progressives are for/anything conservatives are against.”
You know what actually IS an example of political correctness? The attempts by some conservative lawmakers to ban doctors from asking questions about gun safety. In other words, restricting doctors’ freedom of speech and putting the government between patients and their doctors–two things conservatives claim to be against. But that didn’t stop Rick Scott from signing a law prohibiting doctors from discussing gun safety with patients in 2011:
“What happened in that pediatric office led an NRA lobbyist to sponsor legislation in the Florida State House. “Privacy of Firearm Owners” was signed by Gov. Rick Scott and passed into law on June 2, 2011. This law prohibits doctors from “making written inquiry or asking questions concerning the ownership of a firearm or ammunition by the patient or by a family member of the patient.” It also prohibits doctors from “unnecessarily harassing a patient about firearm ownership during an examination.” But this law does not define what “unnecessarily harassing” means. The question Okonkwo asked could be construed as “unnecessarily harassing” if that mother filed a complaint with the Florida Board of Medicine. And Okonkwo could be censured and his license to practice medicine revoked, as well as fined up to $10,000. But this was a watered-down version of the law. The original bill called for more Draconian measures: a third-degree felony punishable by a fine of up to $5 million and a maximum of five years in prison. All for simply asking the question, “Do you have guns in the home?”
Days after the law passed, three physicians, Bernd Wollschlaeger, Judy Schaechter, and Tommy Schechtman, along with the Florida chapter of the AAP and other medical societies, filed a suit to block enforcement of the law. They sued Rick Scott, in his official capacity as governor of Florida, on grounds that the law violated the First Amendment right to freedom of speech for physicians and also violated the First Amendment right of patients to hear that speech.
Wollschlaeger is a family practitioner who makes house calls. Before he became a naturalized citizen of the United States, he served in the Israeli army and is intimately familiar with firearms. He owns guns and is a concealed-weapons permit holder. He used his personal knowledge of guns to relate to his patients who are gun owners to counsel them on gun safety. But the Florida Physician Gag Law, as the plaintiffs refer to it in their suit, changed his practice. He stopped talking about guns. Wollschlaeger used to be a member of the NRA. Now he feels the NRA has “metastasized into a lobby for the gun industry.” And the law, which was “all NRA proposed, all NRA sponsored, all NRA supported,” was a form of intimidation. Wollschlaeger doesn’t like to be intimidated. He volunteered to be a named plaintiff in the suit because “our voices and our words matter. We have to stand up for what is right.””
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2013/02/pediatricians_and_nra_physician_gag_rules_and_the_cdc_aca_and_states.2.html
The left does not have a monopoly on trying to silence or intimidate people, or on trying to restrict speech they find offensive. This move by the NRA was a clear violation of the First Amendment, and it was done for expressly political purposes. It was meant to establish a type of political correctness; doctors would not be allowed to discuss certain topics with their patients that conservatives see as taboo.
Doctors and teachers should be trusted to know what is and is not relevant to their disciplines. The armchair quarterbacking of those who cry political correctness at things THEY find politically incorrect is deeply ironic.
Tina, just to once again prove that Rush’s misogyny is a constant pattern of behavior, here’s what he said this weel:
“House Republicans plan to vote later this year on legislation promoting the construction of, wait for it, a National Women’s History Museum. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, his office is the source of this. The move lends enormous momentum to the years long push to establish a memorial to women’s history near the National Mall, a proposal that has lingerie’d, I’m sorry, lingered in Congress for nearly two decades without ever reaching the President’s desk. There isn’t going to be a National Men’s — see what you don’t, all those war museums and memorials, those are museums to men, we’ve left the women out, that’s right.
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We already have, ladies and gentlemen, I don’t know how many museums for women all over the country, they are called malls. I told you we had to get lighter. See this is what, “Rush you were doing so good and you had to go do that and now every, my friends were listening and you said that and everything you’ve said about foreign policy you just ruined it by having to say that a mall is no different from a women’s museum. I had my friends listening and you go, you just had to ruin the whole show that you did today by doing that.” Satire, parody anyone? Actually, you know what this is? If I may veer back to, pandering, it’s this war on women business. Hey, I could have said brothel but I didn’t. It’s pandering, it’s this war on women business.”
–Rush Limbaugh
Why would any woman defend this prejudiced loudmouth? He can’t bring up anything relating to women without putting them down or implying that they are only good for sex. That’s not satire! Satire would be making fun of people who think this way. This is actually the way Rush thinks! He constantly bemoans the alleged “chickification” of culture, implying that being feminine is inherently negative and undesirable. Why would you constantly defend a person who thinks that you are inherently inferior?
“Yes, because they insulted President Bush. How is that not political correctness?”
To qualify as PC there would have to be a movement to make the Dixie Chicks uncool, inappropriate, and unacceptable in the collective and to heap scorn on anyone who spoke favorably of them. The PC movement established indoctrination in our schools to mold young minds…they have been at it for decades. While individuals may have expressed their personal dislike for the DC and what they said there has not been demanded compliance. In fact the event has faded into oblivion.
Protest and boycott do occur on both sides. They are not examples of PC.
“In other words, for not conforming to the conservative ideology of the day.”
Going to war was a policy choice not an expression of ideology and the little humor filled protest of France was generated when a restaurant owner chose to mimic what went on in America during WWII:
To qualify as PC the restaurant owner would have to bring a lawsuit of some sort, gin up a hate France movement complete with activist organizations, bumper stickers, and T-shirts…certain French words would be banned…no longer allowed in conversation, etc. You know like the recent feminist attempt to ban the word “bossy”.
“You’re just deciding they are because they did something you don’t like.”
Not true. The entire progressive approach to ownership of guns and weaponry exists in this response. A common sense approach is obviously not allowed at this school. No brainer! Whether the administration/autorities have been intimidated into this PC response or they are simply progressives acting out the PC response is irrelavant…the PC response blots out all common sense or individual thinking in the matter. That is how children can be punished for making their fingers into the shape of a gun while playing or a man can have his home raided even though his gun is just a tatoo! PC thinking involves no logic or reason and dismisses all other points of view.
“Have you asked any progressives whether they’re OK with this boy’s treatment, Tina? ”
I have no doubt that many would be appalled by this kids treatment. The point is that PC thinking is the cause of this treatment. The entire anti-gun, anti-weapon movement has made the weapon and anyone who might possess one bad and something to oppress or destroy. In a sane, thinking society this kid would not have become a target at all. He acted responsibly, stored the “tool” safely and posed a danger to no one!
Is it not odd to you that people in authority will ignore the odd behavior and words of someone like the Nidal Malik Hasan in this age of terrorist activity, then refuse to name it as terrorism, but will jail a boy for possessing a knife locked safely in his car in a parking lot. The common thread in the insanity is PC thinking. Not being able to use certain words, making ordinary objects completely off limits, finding cause/guilt in inanimate things rather than making individuals who wrongly use them responsible, being selective about when that applies…these are all outgrowths of PC thinking.
“She had an opinion that did not conform to Rush Limbaugh’s, so he tried to bully and silence her. That is your exact definition of political correctness!”
No…and no. She was an activist and part of the bullying movement against the Catholic Church and others defending their religious freedoms regarding birth control and Obamacare mandates. He was expressing incredulity about a woman attending this law school who would demand that others pay for birth control. This time his being absurd to make the larger point was in bad taste and missed the mark …a rarity in all his years on radio.
“Tina, this IS his overall character”
Yep, you are entitled to your opinion.
“Yeah, I am so limited and conformist because I think Rush is an idiot for not knowing how birth control pills work.”
More like you are incapable of understanding Rush’s point of view (not that you agree) because you are so locked in to PC thinking. He’s just wrong, a bully, an idiot…fill in the blank…dismissed!
“All I’ve done is post Rush’s exact words and explain how they make no sense.”
Really? Okay.
“…your refusal to acknowledge his pattern of bigotry and bullying is in itself political correctness”
Can you grasp the idea that I don’t hear Rush as you do? That there could be something more important going on that you miss? That being offended is an excuse to stay safe with thin the PC box? NOBODY is “totally wrong” or “just a bully” but a heck of a lot of PC indoctrinated people find it easy to use these words as an excuse to tune out completely, never rock the boat, always walk in lock step…and when PC thinking is threatened, look for moral the equivalency to flatten it all out!
“You are denying objective reality in order to tow the party line.”
Okay.
Pie thanks! There is no justice in social justice.
“I find progressivism more evil than fascism because it is insidious”
Absolutely! Is it any wonder the controlling structure targets the young?
Chris: ” In other words, restricting doctors’ freedom of speech and putting the government between patients and their doctors–two things conservatives claim to be against.”
The difference is the doctor is mandated to ask…his speech is now controlled. He has lost freedom and so have his patients. If you were not so locked in to PC thinking you would have realized this. Doctors had the freedom to ask whatever questions they deemed appropriate with their patients until Obamacare mandated a change, that they must ask. Do progressives ever take responsibility for the things they set in motion?
Did the doctor from Israel realize the NRA’s position was a response to compulsory questioning into private matters? Is he a progressive? Is he a shill for the party…an activist? I don’t know, but from what you have written he is at least not fully aware of the situation in my opinion.
“This move by the NRA was a clear violation of the First Amendment, and it was done for expressly political purposes”
Its sad that you, the doctor, and most progressives do not see that Obamcare has made private doctors agents of the government. The NRA was defending the rights of Americans, including doctors, many of whom are offended about being ordered to ask this and other questions of all patients! It is particularly troubling since this information will be stored and subject to abuse. Not only the second but the first and fourth amendments are being violated by this intrusive and controlling law.
“Doctors and teachers should be trusted to know what is and is not relevant to their disciplines.
Doctors should be free to ask questions not mandated by government to do so. Since Obamacare is “the law of the land” the NRA inspired counter law was a logical response in keeping with the workings of our system. If it comes to that the courts will decide the people when they vote in representatives that will end the mandate.
Trust should be granted on an individual basis. Blind trust is not wise.
“The armchair quarterbacking”
Aaaand we grab an insult as a parting shot to show superiority…oh so PC!
“…just to once again prove that Rush’s misogyny is a constant pattern of behavior…who thinks that you are inherently inferior”
Not interested Chris…take your complaints to the man himself at 1 800 282-2882. If you get through, tell Bo Snerdly you’re a progressive and want to talk to Rush about his misogynistic behavior and you’ll go to the front of the line! Start dialing early, about 8:45.
As long as you can’t understand why I am not insulted, even after I have spent many hours with you, there is no point.
If you have specific questions for me I will oblige you but not if they involves explaining or defending Rush…or myself because I listen to his show and enjoy it tremendously.
Harold: ‘I am tired of listening to the elected talk about the obstruction caused by the other guy”
Harold I think most of us are. I also think there is evidence that in some cases it’s absolutely true.
The methods used to pass Obamacare were definitely a case of one side preventing input not only from the opposition but also from Democrats who were not part of the powerful elite of the party. Harry Reid refusing to bring bills to the floor for discussion and Senate alteration and input is a clear example of obstruction. The President deciding to ignore or alter laws he has signed is an egregious abuse of power and means of manipulation and obstruction. Eric Holder’s decision to ignore laws and selectively enforce others another abuse.
We are weary because leadership is corrupt. The cure is voting them out at the first chance.
Both parties have pushed the envelope when it comes to process but the latest examples are beyond the pale.
“…it’s time they all realize they are the other guy in most cases…”
I agree but I don’t think it’s unusual that this is happening given the wide divisions in the electorate. I can’t imagine trying to get anything positive done in that snake pit.
” I believe there are many sources of resolve to any issue, you just have to open your mind and become receptive, a function lost in politics of today.”
You’re right of course but assume that these are all reasonable people with basic good intentions. I believe most are but I also believe that deep differences get in the way. It would help if our legislators had to work on one problem at a time but when its possible to tack on side amendments and additions.
When you think about it how many laws do we really need? The founders did a pretty good job of bringing order to potential chaos with a single page and a few amendments.
“I want a working and efficient ‘COST EFFECTIVE’ government of a size and scope that does not require more and more Tax dollars, or hire people, just to support its bloated structure.”
Man I hear you! That’s the essence of our work here…to convince enough people of the brilliance and value to them in that statement!
Hang in there Harold. Your personal protest is one way to get to the parties and groups and I applaud you for it. We have to find creative ways to communicate.
Your voice here is greatly appreciated.
Tina: “The difference is the doctor is mandated to ask.”
No, doctors are not mandated to ask about guns. Your ignoramus sources, including Rush Limbaugh made that up and spread it around. It is a lie.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/medicare.asp
Please admit that your claim is false.
“If you were not so locked in to PC thinking you would have realized this.”
Yes, my silly PC thinking, where I actually care about facts and evidence, and don’t go back to noted liars to get my information again and again like a domestic abuse victim. The insanity!
“Doctors had the freedom to ask whatever questions they deemed appropriate with their patients until Obamacare mandated a change, that they must ask.”
Again, this is 100% false. There is nothing in Obamacare mandating that doctors ask about guns. Nothing.
“Do progressives ever take responsibility for the things they set in motion?”
I’m curious if you’re going to take responsibility for the lie you just attempted to spread.
Sometimes I wonder why I still comment here, and then I see you tell blatant lies like the above, and realize that I’m still needed. Thanks!
“Did the doctor from Israel realize the NRA’s position was a response to compulsory questioning into private matters? Is he a progressive? Is he a shill for the party…an activist? I don’t know, but from what you have written he is at least not fully aware of the situation in my opinion.”
Bahaha you are hilarious. Accusing others of not being “fully aware of the situation” when you just revealed that your awareness is built on lies and bullshit. Wonderful. Wonderful!
“It is particularly troubling since this information will be stored and subject to abuse.”
Obamacare actually contains a provision prohibiting information about guns from being stored. God, what is wrong with you? Do you know anything?
“Not only the second but the first and fourth amendments are being violated by this intrusive and controlling law.”
You mean the law that doesn’t exist?
So back to schools, another recent report about schools and how this one views the Constitution and its amendments:
A High School student at Grand Island High School in upstate New York was recently suspended from school. His crime? Refusing to turn his t-shirt inside out. What offensive images, words or themes appeared on the shirt that were so reprehensible as to deserve a suspension? On the front of the shirt was the NRA logo, and on the back, a crest that said “The 2nd Amendment; Shall Not Be Infringed.”
Wow. That kid is one angry, rebellious child. Can you imagine supporting our national constitution while at school! Inconceivable!
Of course, I’m kidding.
This is just a continuation of the liberal education systems assault on liberty. When the leftists take control of educating our children this kind of thing is going to happen. Liberals hate the 2nd Amendment so they will pretend that it is somehow controversial, even though it has been ensconced in our Bill of Rights for over 200 years. Can you imagine this child being reprimanded if he was wearing a shirt that said “The 17th Amendment; shall be composed of two Senators from each State.”
No? Me neither.
Why would it be okay to support the 17th Amendment but not the 2nd? There is no reason, other than the fascist narrative about the need for gun control.
Read more at http://eaglerising.com/5231/high-school-suspends-boy-supporting-constitution/#2fgo5IgXZJrvsLiU.99
“The NRA was defending the rights of Americans, including doctors, many of whom are offended about being ordered to ask this and other questions of all patients…Doctors should be free to ask questions not mandated by government to do so. Since Obamacare is “the law of the land” the NRA inspired counter law was a logical response in keeping with the workings of our system.”
Plainly ridiculous.
Even if Obamacare actually HAD included a provision to force doctors to ask about guns–which, again, it does not–the NRA’s push for a law to forbid doctors from asking such questions would still not be a “logical response.” That’s like saying the logical response to the individual mandate is to pass a law forbidding anyone from buying insurance.
The logical response–again, IF Obamacare had actually required doctors to ask, which it didn’t–would have been to try and get that part of the law struck down by the courts.
Like you said, doctors should be free to ask questions. In this case, Obama was not the one denying doctors that freedom. The NRA was.
If the NRA was genuinely concerned about rights, rather than spreading fear and paranoia, they would not have pushed for a law restricting doctors’ rights to ask about their patients’ safety habits.
Harold, that is definitely an example of leftist political correctness and it has happened before. There is absolutely no reason the kid should not have been able to wear that shirt. The school was violating the students’ right to free expression. It’s a shame the parents didn’t take this up with a court. There needs to be a Supreme Court case of some kind to stop events like this from happening.
Chris: “Your ignoramus sources, including Rush Limbaugh made that up and spread it around. It is a lie. Please admit that your claim is false.”
My claim is false.
The President did issue and executive order that asserted nothing in the ACA prevents doctors from asking about guns. This assurance effectively nullifyies any notions doctors might have had about refraining from asking due to provisions in the law to prevent the storage of gun information.
Citizens do need to know they are not required to answer the questions. Given the ACA does allow collection and storage of personal information there is a threat that some doctors might record the information. Given there is no guarantee that this information will be kept private, and given this administration’s misuse and abuse of the NSA spying law, it is understandable that the trust level has diminished greatly in general and in particular surrounding the ACA.
“Sometimes I wonder why I still comment here, and then I see you tell blatant lies like the above, and realize that I’m still needed. Thanks!”
You’re welcome.
I do not blatantly lie, Chris. My own doctor asked me about guns. I have never before been asked by any doctor at any time in my entire life about guns and I know no one else that has. There is a push among those who blame guns for violence to collect information. I still would not put it past some doctors to collect information and I would not put it passed the activists that want guns banned to use it. Sorry…I just have learned over time that the radicals cannot be trusted to value freedom or the rights of others.
“Bahaha you are hilarious. Accusing others of not being “fully aware of the situation” when you just revealed that your awareness is built on lies and bullshit. Wonderful. Wonderful!”
Enjoy this moment; you earned it.
“Obamacare actually contains a provision prohibiting information about guns from being stored.”
Which I guess is why Obama issued the executive order assuring docs that the language doesn’t prevent them from asking.
“God, what is wrong with you? Do you know anything?…You mean the law that doesn’t exist?”
Okay, now you’re just being an adolescent jerk. I have spent a great deal of time in conversation with you; I doubt very seriously that in all of this time you have never learned a single thing…or been put in a position to admit, at least to yourself, that you were wrong.
Have a great day Chris, I’m sure that inflated head will keep you flying high for hours.
Tina, thanks for admitting that your claim is false. I’m genuinely proud of you! And I apologize for being kind of a jerk about it; I get frustrated because I see so many myths floating around about the healthcare law, on both the pro and con side, and from people who should know better. You’ve written a lot about this law already; you’ve done a lot of research. The problem is that you’re getting your information from very untrustworthy people. Hannity and Rush both forwarded the notion that the law requires doctors to ask about guns; neither has retracted their statement. So kudos for doing the honorable thing and showing more character than those clowns.
Thanks for the compliment, Chris, but please don’t imagine even in your wildest dreams that I agree with your nasty assessment of two very fine and trustworthy Americans, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.
I continue to wish you would turn that examination beacon toward the party and ideology you favor and ask as much of them/it as you do others in the opposition.
http://eaglerising.com/5335/public-school-tells-second-grader-cant-write-jesus/
One more issue with public schools……….