Europe is Changing

by Jack

Some on the left have tried to discredit the author of the article below. However controversial he may be in leftist dominated Europe, he does have some valid comments worth sharing. I’m neither for or against this gentleman, because I don’t know that much about him. I’m just putting this information out for your consideration. It’s what we do. Please feel free to share your opinions on what he has to say.

Speech by Geert Wilders, a member of the Dutch Parliament.

Dear friends,

Thank you very much for inviting me.

I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe.

First, I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe .. Then, I will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem ..

The Europe you know is changing.

syriajihadists(Pictured in center is a former Dutch soldier now fighting in Syria with jihadists from around the world including from America.) You have probably seen the landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration.

All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It’s the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe . These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe , street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.

There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe . With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.

Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam , Marseille and Malmo in Sweden . In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities.

In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.

Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear ‘whore, whore’. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin.

In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin . The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.

In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels , because he was drinking during the Ramadan.

Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya , Israel .. I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.

San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.

Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France . One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they call ‘respect’. And this is how we give them respect. We have Muslim official state holidays.

The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey .

Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example, against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the perpetrators ‘settlers’, because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies; they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.

Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.

The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages – at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.

Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means ‘submission’. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.

Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam ‘the most retrograde force in the world’, and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel , first, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz , second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.

This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam’s territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of Jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines , Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan , Lebanon , and Aceh in Indonesia . Israel is simply in the way, the same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.

The war against Israel is not a war against Israel . It is a war against the West. It is Jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel , Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.

Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West . It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel , they can get everything. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a ‘right-wing extremists’ or ‘racists’. In my country, the Netherlands , 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat. Yet there is a greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America – as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome , Athens and Jerusalem ….

Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe , American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe ‘s children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.

We have to take the necessary action now to stop this Islamic stupidity from destroying the free world that we know.

Interesting article that was written by Mr. Wilders.

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28 Responses to Europe is Changing

  1. Pie Guevara says:

    Thank you Jack. Now wait for F*** You All Boy to attack Geert Wilders.

  2. Peggy says:

    Son of Hamas founder converts to Christianity, goes on CNN, exposes Hamas:

    http://youngcons.com/son-of-hamas-founder-converts-to-christianity-goes-on-cnn-exposes-hamas/

  3. Tina says:

    When I was a child I listened to adults talk about WWII and the Nazi’s. As I got older and began to understand the full meaning of the camps I struggled with making sense of it. How could any people let that happen? Why didn’t they rise up and stop it? Now I can see how it happened. People don’t want to believe there is a threat. People don’t want to risk speaking up and looking like a fool or being labeled as intolerant. So instead of standing up for freedom they make concessions until it’s too late.

    Mr. Wilders is to be commended for his courage to stand and speak out in the face of this growing threat to freedom. We cannot negotiate or compromise with those who do not share our values and have no intention to compromise, rather have every intention to subjugate and rule with absolute authority.

  4. Chris says:

    “Some on the left have tried to discredit the author of the article below.”

    Jack, the guy discredits himself. Here’s from his Wikipedia page:

    “On 8 August 2007, Wilders opined in an open letter[101] to the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant that the Koran, which he called a “fascist book”, should be outlawed in the Netherlands, like Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf.[102] He has stated that “The book incites hatred and killing and therefore has no place in our legal order”.[103] He has also referred to Mohammed as “the devil”.[27] In September 2009 Wilders proposed to put a tax on Hijab wearing by Muslim women. He suggested women could purchase a license at a cost of €1000 and that the money raised could be used in projects beneficial to women’s emancipation.[104][105]

    He believes that all Muslim immigration to the Netherlands should be halted and all settled immigrants should be paid to leave.[5] Referring to the increased population of Muslims in the Netherlands, he has said:

    Take a walk down the street and see where this is going. You no longer feel like you are living in your own country. There is a battle going on and we have to defend ourselves. Before you know it there will be more mosques than churches![106]”

    Anyone who truly cares for freedom of expression and religion cannot in good conscience support this fascist.

  5. Chris says:

    I am really sick of people conflating “recognizing the threat” with “being an Islamophobic shitheel.” They are not the same thing. One can condemn Islamic terrorism and radicalism without being bigoted or prejudiced towards all Muslims. People do it all the time. It is ridiculous to claim that the Obama administration does not recognize the threat. We are still fighting terrorists all over the globe. When people call you or your sources bigoted, it is not because we are dhimmis incapable of criticizing Islam. You have SEEN me criticize Islam and call for reform more times than I can count on this blog, so that strawman doesn’t fly anymore. Maybe it’s time to consider that when people accuse you of saying something bigoted, it’s because you are saying something bigoted.

    • Post Scripts says:

      Chris, you have from time to time been critical of Islamic extremism, I’ll give you that and kudos for supporting basic human rights. It should not take much effort for you to do that, but it seems to me like it does. I say that, because you have also been too quick to go on the defensive and bring up issues not in evidence., the straw man argument. You often suggest our criticism is designed to target all Muslims, when it clearly was not! But, you play the race card so often it’s tiresome. You never acknowledge our rational human rights concerns in the same proportion as your indictments of racism or Islamophobia. Why would I say that? Because it’s true.

      This hostile commentary then leads us to respond in order to redefine our position until you understand it was neither racist or Islamophobic. We often whittle it down to the essence just so you can find some small basis for agreement.

      Chris you are so highly critical and suspicious of anything we say to the degree that you’re the one being biased. Your attacks on Tina are akin to being a school yard bully. You are far too quick to [wrongly] define our positions or our intentions, while missing valid key points where we could have some agreement. You read into our comments too much that is not there. There are times when I feel like I’m talking with the lawyer representing Hamas.

      The essence of our concern about Islam is highly limited. They are:

      1. Sharia law includes punishment that is unacceptable because it violates basic human rights.
      2. People that support Sharia law are wrong and their beliefs are inconsistent with universal values and our democracy.
      3. Elements of the Koran that support Sharia Law or the violation of basic human rights.

      We would never say women who actually want to wear the hajib or berka can’t do it, unless the wearing is to conceal their identity on a government ID card or drivers license, then it makes no sense to us. We have no issue with mosques going up in any place where we would also allow a church, but we do recognize zoning restrictions and in the case of the twin towers any Muslim should be sensitive to placing a mosque there. It makes no sense to do that unless there is a hidden agenda in play. Imagine if radical Christians blew up Mecca and the Pope offered to build a church on the site. Of course this gesture would not be well received because it lacks common sense. But, we’re asked to do it when NOBODY ELSE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD would entertain such an absurdity.

      When a religion is also a political front that hurts human rights, we at PS take greater liberties for criticizing it as the need arises in defense of liberty and human rights. When that religion is the basis for motivating terrorists that hurt people as part of their politic we will criticize it most vociferously… Count on that!

      Islam is too often on the wrong side women’s rights and just fundamental human rights. The acts of terrorism done in the name of Islam may be done by a minority of Muslims, but the fact they do it in the name of Islam is what calls us to spotlight them and their religious beliefs.

      This criticism (for accountability) is not limited to just Islam. Any religion that brings out the worst in people on the grand scale that Islam does is fair game. We’re not indicting every single member of said religion, we are only holding accountably those who believe in those universal wrongs and they think our values and government should be replaced with their own “acceptable” values and government.

      I’ve drilled it down about as far as I can for you Chris and you either get or you never will. I’m hoping you will get it. You could be a force for good if you could get passed all the liberal far-leftwing brainwashing you endured to get your education.

  6. Libby says:

    The Guardian: 16 February 2008

    A TV addict with bleached hair who adores Maggie Thatcher and prefers kebabs to hamburgers, Geert Wilders has got nothing against Muslims. He just hates Islam. Or so he says. ‘Islam is not a religion, it’s an ideology,’ says Wilders, a lanky Roman Catholic right-winger, ‘the ideology of a retarded culture.’

    The Dutch politician, who sees himself as heir to a recent string of assassinated or hounded mavericks who have turned Holland upside down, has been doing a crash course in Koranic study. Likening the Islamic sacred text to Hitler’s Mein Kampf, he wants the ‘fascist Koran’ outlawed in Holland, the constitution rewritten to make that possible, all immigration from Muslim countries halted, Muslim immigrants paid to leave and all Muslim ‘criminals’ stripped of Dutch citizenship and deported ‘back where they came from’. But he has nothing against Muslims. ‘I have a problem with Islamic tradition, culture, ideology. Not with Muslim people.’

    Telegraph: 22 May 2014

    Geert Wilders came fourth in European elections in the Netherlands on Thursday night, confounding predictions that he would lead a populist and far-Right backlash against the European Union across the continent.

    Dutch exit polls put the far-Right and anti-Islam leader on 12.2 per cent of the vote, putting him behind all the pro-EU mainstream political parties.

    ***

    Some people wise up … and other people don’t.

    • Post Scripts says:

      Libby, thanks for your commentary on this guy. Like I said I don’t know much about him. Some of these things he said were right on, but looking at some of his other speeches there may be elements that go too far, maybe 10% of the speech. Does the 10% that is a little over-the-top wipe out the 90% that is right on? Yes, it does every time. People on the right must remember that and be extremely prudent in everything they say. The left is always right there ready to rip them apart and discredit them. – Jack

  7. Chris says:

    Jack: “You often suggest our criticism is designed to target all Muslims, when it clearly was not!”

    But Jack, often that is not clear, especially when you lump in moderate Muslims with the radicals, such as you did with the recent posting of the meme I took such issue with. That meme singled out a specific mosque and implied that it taught very barbaric practices, but there’s no evidence to back up that implication. You said later that you didn’t even know which mosque the meme was referring to, so you thought it was appropriate to post without even knowing which mosque was being discussed. Do you see how that makes your assertion that you’re not targeting all Muslims seem like lip-service? If you’re OK with posting such nasty rumors about random mosques without any verification of whether those rumors are true, then why should peaceful Muslims or their allies think you’re being honest when you say you hold no bigotry toward them? If a meme was posted about conservatives like this that implied they all taught only the most extreme and radical right-wing beliefs, wouldn’t you find that prejudiced and unfair?

    • Post Scripts says:

      Chris somehow I think you must have confused my comments with someone else. I never lumped in anyone, in particular a moderate Muslim.

  8. Pie Guevara says:

    Everywhere Islam goes so goes Shari’ah and violence and strife, no matter what you think of Geert Wilders or who you think he is.

    While Blame The Victim and F*** You All Boy turn a blind eye to “moderate” Islamo-fascism. Islam is fascism.

  9. Pie Guevara says:

    Hmmm, Geert Wilders does not pass Blame The Victim’s smell test because he adores Maggie Thatcher and prefers kebabs to hamburgers, and accurately states, “Islam is not a religion, it’s an ideology”.

    OK, got it.

  10. Tina says:

    Jack I appreciate what you are trying to do; thank you.

    Pie’s comment deserves notice.

    Neither Chris nor Libby bothered to comment on the substance or content of the article. Both immediately pounced to discredit either PS or Geert Wilders.

    There are many very good reasons to be specific about the threat we face. As we have found under this administration being careful about what we say only lends power to those who wish us harm and see themselves as superiors who will subjugate the rest of the world.

    Frontpage Magazine outlined one very good reason to be specific about the enemy that wages war on us:

    The 9/11 Commission Report had freely used terms like “Jihad,” “Takfir” and “Islam” to define the nature and motivations of the enemy. But the 2009 National Intelligence Strategy did not mention them. Neither did the FBI counterterrorism lexicon. They had been replaced by “violent extremism.”

    Violent extremism is generic. Predicting an attack requires specifics. Investigators cannot stop undefined crimes or arrest undefined suspects. The less information they have to work with, the more likely the terrorists are to succeed.

    Islam is the crucial link between disparate terrorist groups from Dagestan to Thailand, from Mali to Afghanistan, from Israel to Nigeria and from the United States to Chechnya. Without the Islam factor, there was no reason to suspect that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a threat to anyone except the Russians.

    The old FBI training materials had explained what Chechen, Pakistani, Egyptian and Nigerian terrorists had in common. In the new ones there was a great empty space in which facts died and lives were lost.

    In 2011, the year that the Russians were warning America about Tamerlan Tsarnaev, Deputy U.S. Attorney General James Cole was issuing another kind of warning.

    Cole, an Obama recess appointment, said, “All of us must reject any suggestion that every Muslim is a terrorist or that every terrorist is a Muslim. As we have seen time and again – from the Oklahoma City bombing to the recent attacks in Oslo, Norway – no religion or ethnicity has a monopoly on terror.”

    While Islam might not have an absolute monopoly on terrorism, it had cornered the market. If terrorism were a search engine, Islam would be Google. If terrorism were an operating system, Islam would be Microsoft. If terrorism were a mail delivery service, Islam would be the United States Post Office.

    While a new generation of law enforcement officers was being indoctrinated in terrorism denial and taught to watch out for Christian, Jewish and Buddhist terrorists, the real terrorists were hard at work.

    I must object vociferously to this condemnation by Chris: “Anyone who truly cares for freedom of expression and religion cannot in good conscience support this fascist.”

    Why not? You continue to make outrageous statements and we continue to support your right to say them even providing a platform for you to say them.

    Chris cannot in good conscience say that he has not made statements that were over the top and yet continues to posture as the saint. It’s just ridiculous.

    I would think a person of conscience could muster a bit of empathy or understanding for someone whose nation was overrun by the (fascist) Nazi’s in WWII. His perspective might be a bit different from someone who was raised in America.

    Notice…it’s always the right wing that has to be “careful” about what they say, so as not to offend, but the left is anything but careful as it describes its political opponents and counters their ideas. They often (usually) attack personally and avoid substantive argument.

    Libby’s article mirrors her own (covertly bigoted) attitude and introduces Mr. Wilders as a nut in the first paragraph:

    TV addict with bleached hair…adores Maggie Thatcher…just hates Islam…lanky Roman Catholic right-winger

    Her article smears Wilders (and others) for turning “Holland upside down” as if speech is the big problem rather than radical Muslim terrorist bent on overwhelming Holland with the intention of domination…permanently changing the culture under a (world wide) caliphate.

    Do these two left wingers have absolutely nothing to say about the following handful of examples from the article?:

    In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.

    Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear ‘whore, whore’. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin.

    In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin . The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.

    In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels , because he was drinking during the Ramadan.

    Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya , Israel .. I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.

    Are they afraid to talk about the situation for fear of stumbling themselves?

    The instance in England where a school district was effectively taken over by a radical who imposed Islamic laws on the students and staff should be worthy of conversation and opinion. But talking about it would invite criticism and labeling from Chris and Libby.

    I think their own prejudices precede the discussions…they bring their attitudes about the right wing to the discussions. Chris gives the impression he’s lying in wait, ready to pounce on the first word he might find in his little red book of PC non-permissibles.

    I applaud your courage, Jack, in posting notable and significant occurrences going on in European countries. It is folly to hide our heads in the sand.

    If you ask me there has been more incivility, unrest, and hateful discourse since the tolerant party and President Obama took power and instituted the weenie approach to fighting terrorism. Our enemies are delighted but it sure doesn’t help the people that are being subjugated, murdered, and threatened by a much revived and surging enemy.

    An approach that does not recognize the enemies intentions can never work. Bush diplomatically avoided insulting the religion while attempting to defeat the violent enemy under bin Laden while creating a free democratic society in the heart of the ME. The next step, had his strategy not been discarded, would inevitably have led to confrontation of political Islam.

    I don’t know the person who wrote the following or anything about him. His suggestion is radical, but, given what we face, and is at least worth consideration and discussion.

    It’s a little creepy that the ideology of domination is so prevalent in our times. This will not be appreciated by Chris or Libby but its an honest observation. Although their politics are not violent in nature (usually) the tactics they use are in some ways quite similar to those used by political Islam. They make the rules; everyone must fall in line or be slimmed and given second class status. Many in their midst DO want permanent one party rule and work hard toward that goal.

    You’ve tried again and again to open a discussion about this very real threat. I salute your efforts, Jack!

  11. Libby says:

    “Some of these things he said were right on, ….”

    As I said, the Dutch have wised up. You? We’re waiting.

  12. Tina says:

    NYT:

    Kidnapping Europeans for ransom has become a global business for Al Qaeda, bankrolling its operations across the globe.

    While European governments deny paying ransoms, an investigation by The New York Times found that Al Qaeda and its direct affiliates have taken in at least $125 million in revenue from kidnappings since 2008, of which $66 million was paid just last year.

    In news releases and statements, the United States Treasury Department has cited ransom amounts that, taken together, put the total at around $165 million over the same period.

    These payments were made almost exclusively by European governments, who funneled the money through a network of proxies, sometimes masking it as development aid, according to interviews conducted for this article with former hostages, negotiators, diplomats and government officials in 10 countries in Europe, Africa and the Middle East. The inner workings of the kidnapping business were also revealed in thousands of pages of internal Qaeda documents found by this reporter while on assignment for The Associated Press in northern Mali last year.

    In its early years, Al Qaeda received most of its money from deep-pocketed donors, but counterterrorism officials now believe the group finances the bulk of its recruitment, training and arms purchases from ransoms paid to free Europeans.

    Put more bluntly, Europe has become an inadvertent underwriter of Al Qaeda.

  13. Tina says:

    In June of 2011 The Dutch government made a bold decision:

    The Dutch government says it will abandon the long-standing model of multiculturalism that has encouraged Muslim immigrants to create a parallel society within the Netherlands.

    A new integration bill (covering letter and 15-page action plan), which Dutch Interior Minister Piet Hein Donner presented to parliament on June 16, reads: “The government shares the social dissatisfaction over the multicultural society model and plans to shift priority to the values of the Dutch people. In the new integration system, the values of the Dutch society play a central role. With this change, the government steps away from the model of a multicultural society.”

    The letter continues: “A more obligatory integration is justified because the government also demands that from its own citizens. It is necessary because otherwise the society gradually grows apart and eventually no one feels at home anymore in the Netherlands. The integration will not be tailored to different groups.”

    The new integration policy will place more demands on immigrants. For example, immigrants will be required to learn the Dutch language, and the government will take a tougher approach to immigrants to ignore Dutch values or disobey Dutch law.

    The government will also stop offering special subsidies for Muslim immigrants because, according to Donner, “it is not the government’s job to integrate immigrants.” The government will introduce new legislation that outlaws forced marriages and will also impose tougher measures against Muslim immigrants who lower their chances of employment by the way they dress. More specifically, the government will impose a ban on face-covering Islamic burqas as of January 1, 2013.

    If necessary, the government will introduce extra measures to allow the removal of residence permits from immigrants who fail their integration course.

    They “wised up” all right…they abandoned bend-over-backward multiculturalism in favor of the nations values and laws.

    Americans are wising up too!

  14. Chris says:

    Jack: “Chris somehow I think you must have confused my comments with someone else. I never lumped in anyone, in particular a moderate Muslim.”

    Yes, you did. You posted a meme which portrayed the “mega mosque” in NYC as teaching barbaric practices such as female circumcision, stoning of women, killing of gays, etc. You had no evidence that this mosque teaches anything of the sort, but you posted it anyway, because they are Muslim. That is the very definition of “lumping.”

    • Post Scripts says:

      Ah, I see now! Once again Chris you read into things that are not there. In a remote way I suppose I can see how you might do that, but in my defense I see each issue as depicted in the picture as standing on their own merits for exactly what they. Here we have a picture of Islam and it clearly depicts brutish behaviors of Muslims. It shows a number of examples taken from the headlines. It depicts the mosque in NY presumably at the area of the former Twin Towers that Muslim extremists claimed so many lives on 9/11 and I’m thinking… hmmm…”This is not a good idea. Shouldn’t be building a shrine to Allah on the spot where so many people were motivated by Allah to murder 3000 innocent people in America.” This is cause and effect, action and reaction Chris! Don’t you get it?

      You have extrapolated something quite different from what I was taking from this picture. Interesting psychological experiment because it reveals a lot about our [state of mind]. Apparently you would be in favor of locating a mosque on the 9/11 scene? If you do, I think that’s as nuts as you thinking I just attacked some Imam, (who’s name was never mentioned) a person I do not even know, solely because I put up this picture. IMHO, you are overthinking it Chris and you are letting your prejudices take you to places a reasonable person should not go.

  15. Chris says:

    Tina: “Do these two left wingers have absolutely nothing to say about the following handful of examples from the article?”

    The thing is, Tina, that I have no reason to believe that any of those examples are actually true. Some of them sound pretty far-fetched. I need a valid source before I respond to any of them. Geert Wilders’ word just isn’t good enough for me.

  16. Tina says:

    Chris: “The thing is, Tina, that I have no reason to believe that any of those examples are actually true. Some of them sound pretty far-fetched. I need a valid source…”

    And a “valid source” can always be what you say it is so this actually means nothing.

    Perhaps the problem is you always treat everything as if we believe its written in stone. You don’t seem to understand that none of us is in a position to absolutely confirm anything…that includes you. We must rely on sources and often deal in opinion or point of view. We are a discussion blog. Even when we show evidence to back up the opinion you refuse to consider it might have some merit and continue to insist we are wrong and treat us as an enemy.

  17. Tina says:

    Jack, very good point and I agree completely.

  18. RHT447 says:

    Re: #3 Tina

    “….full meaning of the camps…”

    Indeed. This brought to mind an experience of mine as follows.

    I was stationed in (formerly) West Germany during the mid-70’s. During a weeklong R&R, my buddy and I decided to take a tour of Dachau. For me, it proved to be an epiphany, although not for the reasons anyone might think at first.

    My father was a B17 pilot during WWII and flew 35 combat missions over Europe. Among other things, this sparked my keen interest in WWII history, so I had read about the concentration camps long before I went on the tour.

    It’s times like this that I wish I had a better command of the English language. The best I can come up with to describe the tour is that it brings on a cascade of emotions, some seemingly contradictory.

    The first thing we saw was this–

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_camp#mediaviewer/File:Arbeit_Macht_Frei_Dachau_8235.jpg

    –which translates to “Work will make (you) free.” It is both grotesque propaganda and macabre prophecy.

    It was a bright, sunny day that seemed somehow inappropriate for the occasion and at the same time a reminder that life moves on.

    Everyone on the tour speaks in quiet voices, walks softly, as if at a funeral, which is as it should be.

    One side of your brain digests all the numbers and photos and other input, while the other side just cannot wrap itself around the totality of horror that went on there for years. At the same time, I felt a sense of pride that I wore the uniform of one of the armies that put an end to it.

    When I was there, the ovens were still in place, doors open, with ash still inside. There was a simple rope barrier about five feet in front. A metallic glint caught my eye in one of the ovens. As I leaned over the rope for a closer look, I saw that it was an expended camera flash cube. Someone had tossed their trash into an oven at Dachau. Thus came my epiphany.

    The battle against evil is not over, will never be over. Evil will always be aided by apathy and deliberate ignorance, and fueled mostly by envy and greed. I agree with the old saw that there is nothing new under the sun. However, there are new generations who need to be taught their history.

    Given the state of world affairs today, I am reminded of the book (and movie) title “Something Wicked This Way Comes”.

  19. Chris says:

    Jack,

    Come on.

    The purpose of the meme is to associate this specific mosque with barbarism, misogyny and terror.

    Are you really denying this?

  20. Tina says:

    RHT447 Your ability to express yourself is just fine!!

    Thank you for sharing your personal experience. You should be proud that you wore the same uniform as those who brought an end to this atrocity and a military that continues to risk for liberation…for freedom and decency.

    Please feel free to expound any time the spirit moves. Writing that comes from the heart or our passions is always a good read (And, as friends, we overlook the occasional spelling or grammatical errors)

  21. Chris says:

    Tina: “You don’t seem to understand that none of us is in a position to absolutely confirm anything…”

    Um, no.

    Whether or not the events in European schools have happened as Wilders’ claims they have is a matter of fact. Facts can be confirmed and verified objectively. Some sources, like news reports, are more reliable than claims made by a political activist.

    If you reject these premises, then you reject the idea that we should form our opinions and understanding of the world based on facts and credible sources of information. I don’t see why you’d do that, unless you know that the facts are not on your side.

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