Posted by Tina
The administration and it’s minions in government agencies are doing their best to hide and destroy evidence in the IRS scandal but they haven’t been able to destroy everything that points to the Department of Justice (Eric Holder), the FBI, and possibly even the White House according to a new report by Judicial Watch from their latest Freedom of Information findings:
(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today released new Department of Justice (DOJ) and Internal Revenue Service (IRS) documents that include an official “DOJ Recap” report detailing an October 2010 meeting between Lois Lerner, DOJ officials and the FBI to plan for the possible criminal prosecution of targeted nonprofit organizations for alleged illegal political activity.
The newly obtained records also reveal that the Obama DOJ wanted IRS employees who were going to testify to Congress to turn over documents to the DOJ before giving them to Congress. Records also detail how the Obama IRS gave the FBI 21 computer disks, containing 1.25 million pages of confidential IRS returns from 113,000 nonprofit social 501(c)(4) welfare groups – or nearly every 501(c)(4) in the United States – as part of its prosecution effort. According to a letter from then-House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) to IRS Commissioner John Koskinen, “This revelation likely means that the IRS – including possibly Lois Lerner – violated federal tax law by transmitting this information to the Justice Department.”
The documents were produced subsequent to court orders in two Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuits: Judicial Watch v. Internal Revenue Service (No. 1:14-cv-1956) and Judicial Watch v. Department of Justice (No. 1:14-cv-1239).
All of this nefarious activity occurred just prior to the 2012 election. It was a tactic to prevent conservative organizations from fully participating in the political process. The conservative organizations would not be involved in politics any more than hundreds of George Soros supported 501c4 organizations are and have been in any every election cycle. Lois Lerner and Eric Holder had no such concerns about these groups.
Nixon was impeached for simply considering the targeting of private citizens by the IRS. This administration not only carried through with such plans but also illegally shared 1.25 million pages of private citizens information with the FBI and threatened prosecution for imagined abuses in the future.
Tina, this is probably my ignorance showing, but which conservative non-profit groups were denied tax-exempt status under the IRS during this time? How many were there? Somehow I never see this question come up. Thanks in advance.
Is anyone surprised by this?
Chris shows his ignorance in almost every post he makes, I wonder why he is so concerned about revealing it here?
Chris the points you miss are that the applications were delayed through the election cycle as a tactic to prevent political participation, that several government agencies colluded to harass conservatives and sought evidence against them for possibly prosecution by illegally sharing private information, that the IRS and other agencies destroyed evidence requested by Congress. There are other issues but I won;t go into those now. Suffice it to say, their is mounting evidence of scandal and emails will prove it.
We’ve discussed the number of groups targeted on other threads, Chris. why does your question seem like a set up to me, asked rhetorically.
Anyone planning a scheme that could land them in jail would be careful to include a few liberal groups for the appearance of balance if they were targeting conservative groups…that’s a no brainer, unless you haven’t one.
The numbers reflect that kind of thinking…the emails reveal plans to delay for political purposes and the hope that prosecutions could be in the mix.
A WSJ article from 2013 has <a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/09/18/new-breakdown-of-groups-targeted-by-irs/the numbers known at that time:
Whether we think this was a political scandal or not we should all be interested in the facts being discovered and appalled that government agencies have destroyed evidence and lied to Congress. The truth is what I’m after.
Our readers should be reminded of the following related information:
Regarding the Catheryn Engelbrecht case:
The Inspector General is charged with oversight of the IRS. His testimony is also pretty damaging:
The abuse of power and breach of trust involved in this is staggering.
So are you saying that no conservative groups were denied tax-exempt status during this time?
As I remember the Nixon IRS scandal he just talked about using the IRS, but didn’t actually do it. While this administration actually did to hundreds of organizations, thousands of individuals leading to possibly tens of thousands more.
Flashback: Nixon’s articles of impeachment included IRS scandal:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/flashback-nixons-articles-of-impeachment-included-irs-scandal/article/2529560
Nixon also resigned because congressional Republicans would also vote for his impeachment siding with the Democrats. No such comparable act of honor and oath would occur today by congressional Democrats voting against Obama.
Resignation:
“The release of the “smoking gun” tape destroyed Nixon politically. The ten congressmen who voted against all three articles of impeachment in the House Judiciary Committee announced they would all support impeachment when the vote was taken in the full House.
On the night of August 7, 1974, Senators Barry Goldwater and Hugh Scott and Congressman John Jacob Rhodes met with Nixon in the Oval Office and told him that his support in Congress had all but disappeared. Rhodes told Nixon that he would face certain impeachment when the articles came up for vote in the full House. Goldwater and Scott told the president that there were not only enough votes in the Senate to convict him, but that no more than 15 Senators were willing to vote for acquittal. Realizing that he had no chance of staying in office, Nixon decided to resign. In a nationally televised address from the Oval Office on the evening of August 8, 1974, the president said, in part:”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal#Final_investigations_and_resignation
Guess those that have always claimed the IRS targeting led right up into the white house weren’t so wrong after all, hm-m-m-m-m?????
Mr. J. Soden always hacks right through the husk and gets right to the nut.
I do not believe any conservative groups were denied. Also never mention that Democrat groups were also targeted.
At least one Democratic leaning organization, the IRS said “no” to their request to be declared tax exempt.
WHY? Now what was the reason for the target?
Maybe because POLITICAL GROUPS ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE NON PROFIT!
Never any debate on the issue. The actual Federal law or who changed IRS guidelines to ignore Federal law.
All political groups should not be Tax Free, especially now that elections are no more than a 24/7 business for media.
Exactly what does the Tea Party and these conservative groups do for the welfare of the population that deserves to be tax free?
Political groups including Dems do nothing for the social welfare of us.
So again why would typing in key political words on an IRS search be a problem when political orgs were not meant to be TAX FREE?
Also look at the salaries these people take from money raised. These are for big salary orgs not some charitable organizations both parties.
Chris
Judicial Watch, the right-wing legal group founded by conspiracy theorist Larry Klayman is a Conservative Propaganda Attack Machine. Not always credible info.
IRS scandal, Bennghazi scandal, political attacks wasting millions and millions of tax payer dollars in congress to keep their base excited and fund raise for elections. We are a fascist ran country now.
Chris at #5: “So are you saying that no conservative groups were denied tax-exempt status during this time?”
I guess you didn’t bother to read my response.
I found numbers were slightly different in various articles but the WSJ article above explained why and listed the numbers and percentages of applications put on hold in a specific time frame. Here, I’ll post the numbers again so you don’t have to exert yourself and scroll up:
Are you not at all concerned that the power of government agencies was used against private citizens?
Does it bother you at all that the government harassed Catheryn Engelbrecht at her business through several of its agencies?
Does it bother you at all that private information was sent ILLEGALLY to the FBI by the IRS?
Do you care that we have unscrupulous, lawbreaking people running government agencies?
As I indicated…you miss the point! It isn’t the numbers that matter; it’s the unethical, criminal behavior that matters. Any comments on that?
J it’s hard for me to believe that if Eric Holder was involved the President didn’t have knowledge or a hand in it.
It’s important to all of the American people that this behavior be slapped down hard. No party in power should think that it can get away with activities against the people.
BTW I meant Political Groups are not suppose to be TAX FREE not non profit, they are free to make no profit but the reality is politics is now just a commercial business for the rich where they pay for legislature to be written taking away workers rights for greater investor profits
California Democrats step in it again. This time it’s a federal crime, just like last time when they wrote the TRUST Act and Gov. Brown signed it into law on 1/1/2014.
CA DEM SENATORS VIOLATE FEDERAL LAW IN ATTEMPT TO HURT TRUMP AND CRUZ!:
“CA Democratic State Senators have introduced a resolution (SR 39) calling on the State of California to “Dump Trump”. But in doing that… they have violated Federal law!
At a boisterous gathering outside the state Senate chamber Thursday, Democratic senators touted a resolution to rebuke Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump for his recent comments about immigrants. (According to the LA TIMES)
The resolution, which has not yet been put to a vote in the Legislature, excoriates Trump for his comments during his June 16th announcement speech. It also denounces Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), another presidential contender, who has come to Trump’s defense.
“The state of California will not stand for this type of racist rhetoric and racist behavior,” said Sen. Isadore Hall III (D-Compton), author of the resolution. “Today we stand and call upon the state of California to dump Trump.”
The measure asks the state to divest from, and otherwise cut business ties with, Trump-affiliated entities. It encourages private companies and individuals to do the same.
However in doing so those Democratic Party Senators have violated US Federal Law, specifically: 18 USC § 241 which states:
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both”
http://gamechangerpac.com/ca-dem-senators-violate-federal-law-in-attempt-to-hurt-trump-and-cruz/
Just like with the IRS, Democrats will break laws to silence their opposition.
Tina: “I guess you didn’t bother to read my response.”
I read your response. Just to make sure, I read it again just now. You didn’t answer the question, as usual.
The answer to my question, by the way, was “zero.” No conservative groups had their applications denied. If the IRS was attempting to target these groups, they did it in a pretty half-assed manner; applications were delayed, but not denied.
Have you considered the possibility that these applications were delayed for good reason? That there were legitimate red flags that indicated these organizations shouldn’t be considered non-profits?
Dewey, I’m well aware of Judicial Watch’s founder and its history of tall tales, which is why I’m taking their findings with a grain of salt. If you look at their record with fact checkers it’s very clear that they have a history of overblowing their claims, but then, their target audience has been instructed not to trust fact checkers, so none’s the wiser.
Cool Chris,
I still want to know why the Tea Party thinks they qualify for a non profit tax status?
Federal law is clear. Millions of dollars being wasted to fund raise using our congress as a theater for these fake scandals while speaking of fiscal responsibility is costing us.
Constant attacks on the left is all we get from the Tea Party. Never real policy discussion but then again telling people you want to get rid of Social Security, all public schools, and sell off all taxpayer assets is not popular to talk about.
But it remains clear this is all Rinse and Repeat Propaganda, they could care less about facts.
Obama’s legacy.
Perfect Meme Summing Up the Obama Administration’s Role on Race:
http://www.youngcons.com/perfect-meme-summing-up-the-obama-administrations-role-on-race/
In 2013, the United States Internal Revenue Service (IRS) revealed that it had selected conservative political groups applying for tax-exempt status for intensive scrutiny based on their names or political themes.
Despite the wholesale destruction of record by the IRS is has recently it has come to light that
1) IRS chief Lois Lerner, DOJ officials and the FBI to plan for the possible criminal prosecution of targeted nonprofit organizations for alleged illegal political activity. (Targeted = conservative groups)
2) Obama DOJ wanted IRS employees who were going to testify to Congress to turn over documents to the DOJ before giving them to Congress.
The comedy team of Chris and Dewey are right, there is nothing to see here folks, move along.
Chris, Conservative groups weren’t approved or denied. They were put in “limbo” denying them the appeal process. This was widely published, I’m surprised you didn’t know about it.
Here’s a USA Today article explaining it.
IRS approved liberal groups while Tea Party in limbo:
“WASHINGTON — In February 2010, the Champaign Tea Party in Illinois received approval of its tax-exempt status from the IRS in 90 days, no questions asked.
That was the month before the Internal Revenue Service started singling out Tea Party groups for special treatment. There wouldn’t be another Tea Party application approved for 27 months.
In that time, the IRS approved perhaps dozens of applications from similar liberal and progressive groups, a USA TODAY review of IRS data shows.
STORY: IRS gave liberals a pass; Tea Party groups put on hold
As applications from conservative groups sat in limbo, groups with liberal-sounding names had their applications approved in as little as nine months. With names including words like “Progress” or “Progressive,” the liberal groups applied for the same tax status and were engaged in the same kinds of activities as the conservative groups. They included:”
Continued..
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/14/irs-tea-party-progressive-groups/2158831/
100 Percent of 501(c)(4) Groups Audited by the Obama IRS Were Conservative:
“More new evidence that the Obama Regime has weaponized the IRS, tyrannically using it to silence and punish his political opponents, has been revealed by House Ways and Means Chairman Dave Camp. Congressman Camp says that not only were new Tea Party and other conservative groups targeted, which is a well-known fact that the Obama IRS already apologized for, but 100% of the audits on existing 501(c)(4) groups were conducted against conservative groups. According to the Wall Street Journal, Camp said:”
http://www.tpnn.com/2014/02/12/100-percent-of-501c4-groups-audited-by-the-obama-irs-were-conservative/
Whoo boy, was that last post a wreck of typos and grammatical errors. Time to retire to a cocktail and a movie. Good evening kids.
Dewey: “I still want to know why the Tea Party thinks they qualify for a non profit tax status?”
The Tea Party isn’t a formal organization. The Tea Party did not apply for tax exempt status. The term Tea Party has been used to describe the conservative groups that did apply.
Conservative groups have the same right to apply as the thousands of progressive groups that already have tax free status (And regularly engage in political activities without losing their tax exempt status).
Under the 501c4 designation a certain amount of political activity is permissible within certain guidelines. The stated purpose for Media Matters is similar to the conservative, True the Vote, for instance. However, Media Matters does much more in the political arena than it’s tax exempt status allows and has since it’s inception.
“Never real policy discussion but then again telling people you want to get rid of Social Security, all public schools, and sell off all taxpayer assets is not popular to talk about.”
Take the wax out of your ears! No such proposals have broad support in Tea Party groups and even if they did, conservatives respect the political process. Back room deals to enact law that controls 1/3 of our economy and creates insurance company monopolies is not our style. Geez you are gullible and naive…the radical left leadership has you squarely in their pockets.
RE: Tina #12 Holder is a sheep and isn’t intelligent enough to do anything but follow orders.
He was caught lying under oath (just like Bubba was)
RE: Tina #12 Holder is a sheep and isn’t intelligent enough to do anything but follow orders.
He was caught lying under oath (just like Bubba was)to Clowngress at least twice and STILL hasn’t answered up for his Fast & Furious debacle.
And yet nothing happened due to a spineless Clowngress.