Posted by Tina
The President lectured us the other day about the superiority of a disarmed Europe. Noah Webster reminds us why he’s wrong:
Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. – Noah Webster, An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, 1787
Clear, simple, and precise. Freedom and personal sovereignty is the purpose…and it shall not be infringed.
Some random thoughts—
The Second Amendment to our constitution grants nothing. Our rights are unalienable, granted by God. As such, our government does not have the power to grant or revoke them. Do not let the other side hi-jack the discussion with specious terms like “legitimate hunters”.
Under original intent, the term “well regulated” means working properly and/or well trained. A “free state” is synonymous with “state of freedom”. So try this… A well trained militia being necessary for the security of a state of freedom, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Any effort to change or destroy any constitutional amendment outside the proper process of state ratification is by definition an act of sedition against the United States of America and its people.
To protect our gun rights we must stop the media craziness.
Responsible gun owners should join in the conversation. Stop the conspiracy theories like Obama gonna git yur gun, ect.
Seems like supporting the crazy talk may lead to gun controls that overreach.
Sensible gun laws that protect the right to bear arms for responsible gun owners. Why is that so hard to talk about? I’m with Gabby on this one.
All I hear is armed guards everywhere. Huge walls on both borders. NSA collecting data on everything we do. Cameras everywhere. Cell Phone GPS tracking. ND allowing police to fire non lethal weapons from drones.
That folks takes one flip of the switch to turn on an Authoritarian government.
United We Stand, Divided We Fall.
I think conservatives and liberals in America need to start looking for ways to compromise to fix our societal problems. Guns are a great scapegoat but it’s not a gun that caused a young man to ask people if they were christian and then kill them. Our culture is sick, and that sickness likely stems more from overuse of the First Amendment than the Second. So in the name of compromise, I would like those who propose infringements on the Second Amendment to first tell us which of the First Amendment rights they are willing to give up to reach a workable compromise.
Steve I bet the gun grabbers would be screaming and tearing their hair out if they heard you suggest silencing them…of course they have ways to try and silence others. Good point though. I hope it causes a few fence sitters pause and reconsider.
I agree Steve,
And for me reeling in Media is key. People are glued to media and electronic devices. If we allow 5 media corporations to not be responsible for factual content we loose.
When Clinton signed the telecommunications act he put the nail in the news for public service coffin. Now we have a station who won the right to lie in court because news is infotainment. He can say he was wrong now, but what is he doing to educate and reverse?
Just one part but to me a very important one. Media is key.
Just remember, it took a cop with a gun to stop a killer with a gun. Words are not enough. Before anyone rushes to join with President Moron and demand more gun regulations, you tell me which what sort of gun law would have stopped the shooter? Well, come to think of it there is one regulation that would have saved lives if it was passed:
“All college employees who have completed a State approved firearms training course and passed a stringent background check may carry a concealed weapon without regard to campus gun bans.” There, now that’s a good gun law. I realize teachers and other school employees are not expected to be cops on campus just because they can carry a gun, but that should not prevent them from carrying protection from a murderous gunman.
A Muslim terrorist out to do harm probably would like to kill cops more than college students because cops are a symbol of authority, but cops carry guns, so they kill the students instead…anyone not see the simple logic in that?
Good Lord, “our American culture is sick?” More sick than Islam? “Overuse” of the first and second amendments???” What the hell does that mean? What do people like Steve and Dewey propose? (Rhetorical question.)
I am beginning to believe the thesis that some Americans should not be allowed to vote.
Pie: “Good Lord, “our American culture is sick?” More sick than Islam?”
Steve didn’t say that. Learn to read.
“I am beginning to believe the thesis that some Americans should not be allowed to vote.”
Your desire to subjugate those who disagree with you is noted.
Shut up and butt out Chris. Steve posted, and I quote, “Our culture is sick, and that sickness likely stems more from overuse of the First Amendment than the Second.”
Overuse of the first two and likely most important amendments of the Bill Of Rights??? That is appalling. And so are you Chris.
The above contains a misstatement. Specifically overuse of the first two amendments. I correct that below if anyone is interested.
Frankly I find it appalling that anyone would suggest there could possibly be an “overuse” of the First Amendment. And, Chris, shut yer yap.
Pie, I’m pretty sure Steve was speaking only of conditions in America. I agree with him that our society is sick, and suffering, when I compare to times when the vast majority of people followed a moral code, were civil in their behavior, and had personal expectations to become law abiding contributing citizens.
As for overuse of the first amendment I prefer overuse to monopoly use which we had for nearly fifty years. People have to relearn what our parents and grandparents knew by experience. The media of the times were newspapers which were black, white, and red all over. 😉
“A Muslim terrorist out to do harm probably would like to kill cops more than college students because cops are a symbol of authority, but cops carry guns, so they kill the students instead…anyone not see the simple logic in that?”
Dewey is a seriously and dangerous loose screw. Another tragedy involving the killing of young innocents in the offing.
Let us not forget the purpose is protection citizens from tyrannical government…but when morality has been tossed out the window, it also helps good citizens to have a weapon for defense and protection.
Pie, I don’t normally debate people on blogs who do so anonymously but today I’ll make the exception.
Let me state for the record I hold the 2nd Amendment as one of my most sacred rights. It’s up there with my life, liberty and pursuit of happiness that the government should stay the hell away from. I once served overseas with soldiers from Norway who informed me that they are not only allowed but encouraged to keep their assault rifles at home after they leave military service, just in case.
Norway does not have our problem with homicides.
When I post that I want liberals who want me to give up my sacred right to show me which of their sacred rights they would give up first, it is a way to get them to think about all the other factors besides guns that cause mass murders in our society.
Our culture is sick. Nowhere near as sick as the cultures living under “the religion of peace,” but if you can watch Miley Cyrus on the VMA’s and tell me we don’t have a problem you’ve got your blinders on.
Someone taught that young man in Oregon that it was OK to hate and murder Christians.
It was either a: Islamic extremism.
Or b: Our own culture.
Take a look at the pop culture our youth are exposed too. Look at what they learn from academia. Christians are just one of the popular scapegoats for what is wrong in the world now. We not only have a culture that allows for the murder of the unborn, but also a culture that seeks to demonize those who would defend the unborn. Is it any wonder some kids get confused?
Now, what liberals don’t understand is the escalation of tactics. If and when assault weapons are banned and disappear, those who do evil will find other ways to commit their heinous acts. Timothy McVeigh didn’t need an assault rifle. We need to get the left to come out of their single issue shells and address all the other reasons why our youth are so disturbed. We might actually get to some solutions.
The one caveat to this conversation is that eventually, I think proof will come out that the Oregon shooter had Islamic ties. The press will try their best to ignore it but we all suspect it is there. The world’s most sickest culture does come to our shores whether we accept it or not.
Re : “Pie, I don’t normally debate people on blogs who do so anonymously but today I’ll make the exception.”
Thank you for the wonderful condescension!
So “Steve” is not anonymous? I have posted plenty of times that my name is David Walton. I do not “hide” behind the anonymity my chosen nom de Internet “Pie Guevara.” You can follow me on twitter and see that I identify myself clearly and most people who comment here, and the blog owners know my name “Steve.”
Yes, I jumped the gun, you have some very valid and heartbreaking points. It is just that I am sick and tired of my country being bad mouthed. Why do you think so many people from other want to live here? Is it because this country is so terrible?
“Steve,” what I found appalling was your statement, ““Our culture is sick, and that sickness likely stems more from overuse of the First Amendment than the Second.”
Overuse of the amendment that prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances???
Tell me, exactly how can those foremost core principles of Republic founded upon the ideals of freedom and liberty be “overused?
Do you really think that societal corruption is seeded and nourished by “overuse” of the First Amendment?
Really?
This is why I lumped you in with my rhetorical remark.
FrontPage Magazine looks at stats from 2011, the most recent available and adds perspective to the media hype about “gun violence”:
We have a problem, folks, and it isn’t guns. It is over the top liberal hype that distorts and twists the facts to control the narrative. The ultimate goal is permanent power for the radicals in leadership and in control of the Democrat Party.
Recently the President used Australia and England as examples to prove gun laws result in fewer “gun” deaths.
Scott Johnson of Powerline interprets:
Johnson concludes, “The only rational goal of gun control or other such measures is to reduce the overall rate of homicides. Neither Australia nor the United Kingdom has been anywhere near as successful as the U.S. in that respect.”
Da prez iannounced he is traveling to Roseburg, OR on Friday to “meet and console” families who lost loved ones to a nutjob shooter and claims his visit “won’t be political.” (Insert sound of loud, wet razzberry here)
Editor of Roseburg newspaper has taken issue with Obumble’s gun agenda, as have several victims’ families and a granny-like gun store owner who refers to Obumble as “Executive Anus.” (All stories found on Breitbart.com)
I expect that da prez might not get the welcome he thinks he deserves in Roseburg. Were I anywhere near Roseburg, I’d be joining any protesters!
Could be an interesting Friday batch of videos . . . . . .
The president is not going to get a warm welcome in Roseburg. The people of Roseburg have already made it very clear they don’t want him grandstanding on top of their kids dead bodies.