Survival Question – What Would You Do?

by Jack

Imagine you are a 51 year old mother driving across the wide open spaces of Montana and you see a young Hispanic man and his car parked off to the side of the road. You instantly decide he looks innocent enough so you stop your car, roll down the window and ask what’s the problem? He says he’s out of gas.  What do you do?

(a) You go home pick up your husband, sister in law and your daughter and you go back to help with some spare gas.

(b) You report it to the local police and let them handle it.

(c) You do nothing and you rather feel stupid for having stopped in the first place.

If your answer was either (B) or (C) you would be alive today and so would your husband. Also your daughter would not now be in the hospital with a gunshot wound to the back.

“Suspect Deniz told the interviewing police agents that he shot the victims because he was getting tired of waiting around, and because the daughter had laughed at him,” the statement said.

Deniz is being held in Park County, Wyoming, after police arrested him near Meeteetse, about 120 miles away from Pryor. A judge’s signed warrant would begin the process of returning Deniz to Montana to face charges in the killing.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Carolyn Ostby scheduled an initial court appearance for Deniz on Friday.

Jorah Shane recounted to her relatives the events leading to the shooting. Her mother, Tana Shane, drove by a young man parked on the side of the road who told her he had run out of fuel, Ada Shane said.

“He’s only 18, and he looked like an innocent boy,” Ada Shane said. “Both my brother and sister-in-law have big hearts.”suspect23

Tana Shane went by her house, picked up her husband and daughter, and they drove back to the stranded car, Ada Shane said. The man pulled a gun and held it to the temple of 51-year-old Jason Shane.

He ordered the father to stop the car and told everybody to get out, Ada Shane said. He told the family to give him their money, but the family said they had only change because they recently returned from a religious revival in Window Rock, Arizona.

The man told the family to start walking. Tana Shane told her daughter in their Native American language to run. Jorah Shane told her aunt that she heard a shot, started running then heard bullets whizzing by her head. She fell, heard another shot, and started running again toward a church just as a car was pulling out.

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35 Responses to Survival Question – What Would You Do?

  1. Peggy says:

    More Americans died because Obama refuses to follow our immigration laws, creates an unlawful process by creating Dreamers and invites hundreds of thousands of illegals to break our laws by crossing our borders and live off of the taxpayers.

    “Mr. Deniz is Mexican, and the Obama administration deems him a legal permanent resident who entered the country legally on May 31, 2013 — though they didn’t say how he earned that status initially.

    Indeed, just a month ago Mr. Deniz was arrested by police in Worland, Wyo., on burglary charges. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers were informed, but they couldn’t do anything because he was a permanent resident, and his crime didn’t rise the level of being kicked out of the country.

    If convicted in the new case, however, he could be deported, ICE said.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/31/mexican-accused-double-murder-legal-immigrant/

    We need this guy to get life in prison without the possibility of parole. Otherwise, he’ll be back on our streets killing again after being deported.

    He should not have been here and he should not have been made a legal resident by Obama.

  2. Harold says:

    B is the obvious answer to me, but who these days do not carry a cell phone, especially in that age group

  3. Chris says:

    Peggy: “He should not have been here and he should not have been made a legal resident by Obama.”

    I read the article, and I don’t see any evidence that Obama “made” this man a legal resident, nor was there any evidence provided that he would not have been considered legal under any other administration.

  4. Libby says:

    Oh, get a life. I could muster three murderous white boys to your one brown, if I cared to, which I don’t.

    So what’s up with Norcal Blogs? You’re up, but the site is down? What is that?

    • Post Scripts says:

      Libby, the point of the article was the lady did a very foolish thing. She needlessly placed her entire family at risk because she was too trusting based on nothing but a persons looks. The sensible thing would be to call the police and report the stranded motorist. They get paid for dealing with things like this and it could be something more important, besides it could be a clue to another crime, you never know. He was a stranger, he was in an unusual place…that should have raised some red flags. It didn’t and it cost her.

      On an equally important note, people who support illegal aliens staying here and tolerate our porous border can take a bow for these deaths. The Mexican guy should not have been here in the first place and then these people would still be alive. Guess this story reflects the price of being bleeding heart on both counts, bad judgement for stopping and bad judgement for allowing illegals.

  5. Harold says:

    This is off topic to Jacks question about “what would you do” but the post has gone away from Jacks question early, so in support of Peggy’s post about the loss of American lives due to Obamas policy of inviting or welcoming migratory illegals, and the need for a’ Kate’s Law’

    REF: #1 Peggy wrote; “More Americans died because Obama refuses to follow our immigration laws, creates an unlawful process by creating Dreamers and invites hundreds of thousands of illegals to break our laws by crossing our borders and live off of the taxpayers.”

    There are many articles that support Peggy’s comments, and it’s not hard to figure out why Congress and this President isn’t doing something about it. VOTES!

    “In a nutshell, Kate’s Law says when these deported illegal criminals get caught sneaking back into the US, they get a mandatory five years in jail. Politicians/officials who disobey this law also go to jail”. Makes sense? Of course.

    Will Kate’s Law save Americans lives? Absolutely.

    GOP leaders claim if they pass a Kate Steinle law, Obama would sign sign it, and I believe they are absolutely correct! Obama doesn’t want the loss of more potential Liberal voters as part of his legacy, no matter how many American lives it saves. No.no, can’t have that as Obamas legacy.

    But this portrays cowardly GOP leadership, who themselves are afraid of alienating the illegal aliens voting countrymen. It is political BS in my opinion that any GOP standing behind the statement “what’s the use of passing this bill? Obama will just veto it and we don’t have a majority to override his veto”, is a cowardly stance and doesn’t deserve the future support of conservative votes.

    Then there’s the Liberal Mouth piece of misinformation Nancy Pelosi who attempts to build an empty argument that this ‘Kate’s Law’ is hastily constructed out of hate and campaign poll numbers and not beneficial for Americans to support the as proposed ‘Kate’s bill’ Rather than compassionately expressing reservations about Kate’s Law for whatever reasons, Pelosi attacked it.

    Why? Possibly because Donald Trump is polling high in his bid for the WH by addressing illegal immigration. Pelosi and her fellow Democrats want to protect their illegal-immigrant-future-voters-scheme. So, in typical Democrat fashion, Pelosi is trying to brand Trump a racist and hater for simply talking about illegal immigration.

    Miss-information Pelosi is willing to throw the late Kate Steinle, her family and future American victims under the political bus by tying Kate’s Law to Trump.

    Nancy Pelosi said Kate’s Law should be called the “Donald Trump Act,” meaning it is nothing more than hate inspired legislation. Really, Pelosi?

    It is a reasonable assumption to understand that illegal aliens could represent 6 million democratic votes, and Obama isn’t about to jeopardize his future with the Democratic Party by eliminating that possibility. No, instead he’s been rolling out the welcome wagon with entitlements and directions to the Ballot boxes.

    Obamas tactics of using the children invading the U.S. is politically obvious. If the president is able to ensure that he could reunite the kids with their parents, and guarantee to all of them that mom and dad will get to have the same right to vote for a Democrat this fall as a U.S. citizen, then this president is more than ready to make that move.

    Remember five to six million Democratic voters is not an insignificant number of votes.

    So in my opinion, politics is leading Americans to the slaughter house, it is just a decision which entrance you use, left or right.

  6. Peggy says:

    Chris, it appears he WAS one of Obama’s Dreamers.

    Do you not see the irony that a Native American couple were killed and their daughter may be paralyzed for life by a “foreigner” who was invited to come live here by a president who has NO respect for our laws or the oath he took to uphold.

    “But there’s still some question regarding how Mendoza was able to get legal status back in May 2013. From the Washington Times.

    Mr. Deniz is Mexican, and the Obama administration deems him a legal permanent resident who entered the country legally on May 31, 2013 — though they didn’t say how he earned that status initially.

    Was then 16-year-old Mendoza admitted to the U.S. as a DREAMer? Did he actually enter the U.S. in May 2013 or that’s the date the U.S. declared him a legal immigrant? What else don’t we know? So many questions.”

    http://twitchy.com/2015/07/31/ice-explains-why-jesus-deniz-mendoza-wasnt-deported-before-allegedly-shooting-montana-family/

    “This week, one of Obama’s DREAM Kidz showed us how he contributes to the betterment of our society when he shot and killed a husband and wife who, seeing him broken down along the side of the road, stopped to give him a hand.

    Jesus Yeizon Deniz Mendoza, 18, was in the country legally thanks to the Obama Administration who gave him legal status in 2013.

    Because, he’s a DREAMer!

    And we all know that DREAMers are just as American and you and I!!!

    It absolutely is time to fix this “broken immigration system” that Barack Obama broke by taking a sledgehammer to it.

    Immigration is supposed to be determined by what is in the best interests of the sovereign nation. Not what is in the best interests of the person who wants to immigrate. Not what is in the best interests of the US Chamber of Commerce. Not what is in the best interests of LaRaza and other Open Borders lobbying groups.

    A nation has a right and an obligation to ensure that those we permit into our country are not going to be a drag on our economy, on our welfare programs, on our educational system, and on our criminal justice system. Plus, it would be great if we could take measures to ensure they don’t kill us all just for being kind enough to stop and give them a hand when their car breaks down.

    And hey, I got news for you. Deportation is not a dirty word (though, according to the University of New Hampshire, “American” is).

    Until Washington gets its head out of its ass and recognizes that we have a problem because we won’t limit immigration, we can expect there to be more victims of DREAMers like Jesus Yeizon Deniz Mendoza.”

    http://patriotretort.com/the-face-of-a-dreamer/

  7. Peggy says:

    FYI: From Congressman Doug LaMalfa.

    1,000 Illegal Aliens Enrolled at Fresno State: opening support services center for illegal alien students:

    http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/1000-illegal-aliens-enrolled-at-fresno-state-opening-support-services-center-for-illegal-alien-students/

  8. Chris says:

    Peggy: “Chris, it appears he WAS one of Obama’s Dreamers.”

    You say this, but you provide absolutely nothing to back it up. You linked to Twitchy, which merely speculates that he could be a DREAMer. Then you linked to a particularly exclamation-point-loving blogger who claims that he was a DREAMer without providing any evidence to back this up. Do you see the problem here?

    Where is the evidence he was a beneficiary of the DREAM Act?

    Jack: “On an equally important note, people who support illegal aliens staying here and tolerate our porous border can take a bow for these deaths. The Mexican guy should not have been here in the first place and then these people would still be alive. Guess this story reflects the price of being bleeding heart on both counts, bad judgement for stopping and bad judgement for allowing illegals.”

    Jack, we don’t even know if this man was ever an illegal immigrant. Literally all we know at this point is that the killer was here legally at the time of the shooting.

    Haven’t you cautioned gun control advocates about leaping to conclusions whenever someone is killed with a gun, without having all the facts? That’s exactly what you’re doing here, except you’re constructing a narrative that fits you own agenda.

  9. Chris says:

    Peggy, from your link:

    “There are 1,000 honest, decent and qualified California and American students NOT allowed to enroll in Cal State Fresno. …Why are we making those who violate our laws more comfortable and “encourage” more law breakers to steal college seats from honest kids?”

    This is such a dishonest and, frankly, disgusting framing of the issue.

    No citizens are “not allowed” to enroll in CSU Fresno. There is no “affirmative action” program for illegal immigrant students. If these kids beat out others for a spot at the university, it’s because they are more qualified than the others. How’s that for stereotype-busting? Apparently these undocumented kids are smarter than a lot of their documented peers. No wonder the commenters at that site are so angry–it must suck hearing that their kids aren’t as smart or qualified as a lot of illegal immigrants, who those commenters clearly view as their inferiors.

    Furthermore, we are to a large extent talking about children (many enrollees are under 18 at the time they enroll in college). The article you link to refers to them as “lawbreakers” and implies that they are not honest or decent…but these are kids! Most of them probably don’t bear any responsibility for their legal status. Now it’s one thing to say that they should still be deported even though they personally did nothing wrong; is quite another to suggest that they are all dishonest, indecent “law breakers” who “steal” seats from more deserving kids, as your article does.

    Throw in Harold’s “invading” slur and it’s really hard to take seriously the idea that racism and demonization of the other aren’t crucial components of the movement that claims to just be concerned with “secure borders.” Your article seeks to criminalize children, Peggy. You may not personally see yourself as a racist, and I’m certain you don’t consciously hate Hispanic people by virtue of their race, but the arguments you are putting forth as representing your side are still racist.

  10. Chris says:

    Harold–we really don’t need illegal immigrant votes. Demographics are changing rapidly even before you factor in illegal immigrants. We’re also winning a lot of voters precisely because of your side’s extremist rhetoric, which most minorities and young people find alienating and off-putting. Keep calling illegal immigrants “invaders” and watch the Democrats take in even more votes. You can call that “PC,” but it’s not going to change anything. Your party is dying–literally–and the more you talk like this the more you ensure that you’re seen as the party of old intolerant white guys.

  11. Harold says:

    Chris writes” Harold–we really don’t need illegal immigrant votes” Then tell your Elected to do something about it!. I am telling mine!

    My post was not about changing demographics of legalized citizens, or is “changing Demographics” your parties new label for the illegal inflation?

    Chris, your options are yours and I for one do not find them credible, more over I believe that the American public wants to see change from your way of thinking,at least by those of us supporting your entitlement mentally, and migrating illegals.

    The party you choose to support understands the value of dependent people at the polls, and five to six million votes, be they illegal or bought and paid for with Government entitlements, to me represent the worst of politics today. And your party should be ashamed for how they manipulate those voters.

    Also there was a typo in post #5 in the sentence
    “GOP leaders claim if they pass a Kate Steinle law, Obama would sign sign it”

    it should be correctly read as NOT sign it

  12. Peggy says:

    Chris, it is comical when you spout off as a “expert” an a subject you know nothing about. I have 25 years experience working at two colleges so let me educate you as to how college enrollment works.

    First off every college campus enrollment is limited because of the physical facilities. There are only so many classrooms and seats available.

    When the refugees came over after the end of Vietnam we could have filled every classroom with students wanting to learn English as a second language. Also, during the DotComp bust in the 90s our enrollment shot up with out of work people wanting to go back to school to learn a new profession.

    When there are thousand of students trying to get into a class that is limited to a hundred or less it becomes impossible to meet the needs of those students. More are turned away than get in.

    Also, the state has a cap on the percentage of growth they will fund. We could only grow 2% each year based on student enrollment from the previous year. Anything over 2% came out of the college reserves to pay the faculty, support staff, materials, etc. A 10% growth in attendance was not feasible and therefore not allowed.

    Illegal immigrants are not US citizens and in many cases do not qualify for state residency. What they are are foreign students without F-1 visas. They should not be treated like US citizens because they or their parents entered our country illegally. PERIOD

    I do realize many of these kids did not knowingly break the law when they came to our country illegally with their parents or Obama’s invitation to come on their own. But, we are supposed to be a nation of laws and by overwhelming our system of laws by sheer numbers is not the way to handle the problem.

    Chris, you show your ignorance when you speak to a subject you know nothing about. Become informed before you do it again.

    The Fresno State program IS for illegals ONLY and WILL take seats away from qualified US citizens and Calif. legal residents!!!

  13. Chris says:

    Peggy: “I do realize many of these kids did not knowingly break the law when they came to our country illegally with their parents or Obama’s invitation to come on their own.”

    Obama did not “invite” any children to immigrate here illegally.

    “But, we are supposed to be a nation of laws and by overwhelming our system of laws by sheer numbers is not the way to handle the problem.”

    OK. Like I said, that’s a very different argument from the one made in the article you linked to. That article DID blame illegal immigrant children for their situation by calling them “law breakers” and saying they were not “honest” or “decent.”

    Your argument does not insult or denigrate illegal immigrant children, and as such it is an argument I can respect. I was simply cautioning you to avoid citing arguments which DO denigrate and demonize such children, because doing so hurts your cause and makes it easier for people to accuse your movement of being bigoted.

    “The Fresno State program IS for illegals ONLY and WILL take seats away from qualified US citizens and Calif. legal residents!!!”

    From what I read, it seemed that the Dream Outreach Center is targeted to help undocumented students who are already enrolled at the university. I’m not sure then how this program could be said to “take seats away” from citizens and residents. You could argue that the general policy of not requring proof of citizenship or residency prior to enrollment takes away seats from citizens, but once a student makes their way to the Dream Outreach Center they’re already enrolled.

    Also, I have no beef with the term “illegal immigrants,” but calling a group of people “illegals” goes too far. No other type of lawbreaker is labeled an “illegal.” This label implies that a person’s very existence is illegal, and as such it is incredibly dehumanizing.

    “No human being is illegal.” –Elie Weisel, Holocaust survivor

  14. Peggy says:

    Come one Chris you know what “Outreach” means as much as I do. The center will reach out to high schools to recruit new students into the special program designed to hold the hands of the illegal immigrants from the freshman year to graduation. They are NOT existing students to begin with. New students from the high schools will be brought in each semester to keep the program running.

    The center will cost $170,000 to start up for 1,000 students. The cost will be ongoing for each year and will very by the number of students and staff needed to keep it going. Outreach recruiters will be a permanent and necessary positions to keep the new supply of students enrolled.

    Fresno State opens taxpayer-funded ‘DREAM Center’ for illegal immigrants:

    “Fresno State University will be building a Dream Outreach Center on the taxpayer dime to address the so-called needs and challenges of illegal aliens going to a college subsidized by American citizens.

    “These students are confronted with major hurdles as they attempt to navigate the enrollment and financial aid processes to gain access to higher education. Also, guidance and support are needed for resolving challenges as they persist through the University,” Dr. Frank Lamas, vice president for Student Affairs, and Enrollment Management, told The Business Journal.

    According to Lamas, the new Dream Outreach Center will facilitate a sense of belonging for students including financial aid guidance, professional developments opportunities, and referrals to student support services.

    The value of the center is approximately $170,000.

    Just over 1,000 of the 23,000 Fresno State students are illegal aliens, comprising an estimated 4 percent of the student body.”

    http://redalertpolitics.com/2015/08/03/fresno-state-opens-taxpayer-funded-dream-center-illegal-immigrants/#5C7QmaYyiOo2yRex.99

    From Fresno State.

    “The Dream Outreach Center will:
    •Provide guidance on matters related to college access, including applying to college, financial aid, scholarships and overcoming personal and social challenges.
    •Foster a safe and welcoming environment for students and their families.
    •Create professional development opportunities to familiarize and update the campus community, school educators and others on admissions, financial policies, regulations, legislative actions and other matters critical to the success of undocumented students.
    •Make referrals to a comprehensive network of services that support student persistence through to degree completion.
    •Raise awareness about the college experience of undocumented students.

    The program will be developed in several phases and the university will be utilizing existing resources for the first phase (re-assigning staff and re-organizing office space to establish the center) so there is no set funding allocation for it yet but the in-kind value at this point is approximately, $170,000 Lamas said.

    Services for undocumented students will be housed in two locations. For incoming students, the Dream Outreach Center will be in the University Outreach Services office…”

    http://www.fresnostatenews.com/2015/07/dream-outreach-center-for-undocumented-students-to-open/

    If Fresno State is setting up this program so will every CSU in the state. And they will all grow in depth and size and cost. That’s what gov’t programs do once started, they become self preserving entities by and for those employed in the program.

  15. Tina says:

    Peggy: “They should not be treated like US citizens because they or their parents entered our country illegally.”

    At the very least they should be in last place in terms of placement. Liberals argue that it’s not their fault that their parents brought them here. Guess what students that are citizens are not to blame for their circumstances and deserve to be placed ahead of non-citizens!

    Also if there isn’t enough money or space to support those who came here illegally we have no business offering them access to education and services.

  16. Tina says:

    Chris: “…the Dream Outreach Center is targeted to help undocumented students who are already enrolled at the university. I’m not sure then how this program could be said to “take seats away” from citizens and residents.”

    Long before the Dream Outreach Program was created the deed was already done! These kids were given preference over American students.

  17. Peggy says:

    Tina, in my opinion all illegal alien students should be treated just like foreign students who are issued an F-1 visa. They are required to pay foreign student tuition and they can’t work unless their visa specifically says they can and what type of job they can hold. Some all allowed to have on campus jobs, but not off campus. They can not apply for or receive food stamps, health care or any type of gov’t aid or assistance.

    They also are required to have a legal resident sponsor who will guarantee their financial support. They are not allowed to apply for financial aid or grants for their tuition and are limited to scholarships set up for foreign students only.

    With the rising cost of education it burns me to see legal resident students and taxpayers footing the bill to educate millions of illegals who act like they are entitled to our money and demand we provide it.

    Instead of ruining our system I wish they would work to make their own country’s system work to provide for their economic and educational needs.

  18. Chris says:

    Tina, what “preference?”

  19. Tina says:

    Peggy the rules sound a lot like the rules for legal entry to America. It makes sense to me that those who came here without going through legal channels should be refused a place as long as there are American students who apply.

    The rules you articulate would go a long way toward putting American kids first. it might also provide less incentive for crossing our border illegally in the first place.

  20. Tina says:

    Chris if there are American kids that are denied a place in college because kids who were brought here illegally do get a place that’s a preference…you know that.

  21. Peggy says:

    Tina, since Obama took the oath of office when has he ever followed our laws.

    What I wrote was what the process was before I retired. Who knows what it’s like now.

    Remember, Obama also did away with most or all of the 1996 Welfare Reform Act, which required welfare recipients to go to school part-time and/or work part-time if they had children over 5 years old.

    This program too was in full force when I retired, before Obama took office.

  22. Dewey says:

    OMG what is the fascination here?

    What about the tea party nation mass murder killer? What the subject matter of the movie was and why he probably picked it?

    How many white Men have killed lately? Mass Murder.

    Why no mention of these guys around this Blog?

    Why is it a problem for the GOP to endorse current law and deal with the employer?

  23. Tina says:

    Dewey why do you rant and rant, armed with only bitsand pieces of knowledge, a laundry list of distortions, and a lot less understanding than you think?

    It’s a mystery I tell ya.

  24. Tina says:

    Peggy I’m sure that between Obama and Governor Moonbeam much has been done to sell out Americans in favor of those who come here illegally.

  25. Pie Guevara says:

    Re #24 Tina : Taint no mystery, Dewey is a lobbyist in DC, dontchaknow. He is the poster child for DIILA (Dysfunctionally Illiterate and Ignorant Lunatics Association).

    Ranting is his thing.

  26. Chris says:

    Peggy: “Remember, Obama also did away with most or all of the 1996 Welfare Reform Act, which required welfare recipients to go to school part-time and/or work part-time if they had children over 5 years old.” – See more at: http://www.norcalblogs.com/postscripts/2015/07/31/survival-question-do/#comment-56122

    No, he did not.

    One man’s gutting is, of course, another man’s tweaking, but in this case, the Obama administration is not removing the bill’s work requirements at all. He’s changing them to allow states more flexibility. But the principle that welfare programs must require recipients to move toward employment isn’t going anywhere.

    Here’s what’s happening. George Sheldon, the acting assistant secretary for the Administration for Children and Families (ACF) at the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), sent states a memorandum inviting them to submit applications for waivers from certain aspects of the TANF law. The stated intention is to allow states more room to try programs that promote employment for welfare recipients in the face of the recession. The actual language is rather strict and rules out a number of potential waiver applications. For example, the memo states, “The Secretary will not use her authority to allow use of TANF funds to provide assistance to individuals or families subject to the TANF prohibitions on assistance.” Translation: people who aren’t on TANF because they didn’t meet the work requirements aren’t going to get bailed out here. Proposed waivers also must include concrete methods of evaluating performance, and set standards that the new programs must meet for the waiver to continue.

    The sort of changes allowed by these waivers, the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities’ LaDonna Pavetti argued in a blog, could have a significantly positive impact on TANF’s ability to usher people into jobs. She explained that TANF’s work requirements are often phrased in terms of “activities,” which include not just employment but unpaid work and internships, job searching, etc. “The outcome measure isn’t what you want, which is employment rather than activities,” she argues. The waivers will make it easier for states to target employment rather than activity participation, so people stuck in unpaid work or spending months on a job hunt aren’t counted as successes and denied aid.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2012/07/17/is-obama-gutting-welfare-reform/

    Many other fact checkers have debunked your false claim as well.

  27. Peggy says:

    Chris, nothing you presented invalidates my statement. “job searching” is not the same as actually working. Just like Unemployment Insurance a person could go out once a week fill out an application or say they did and still get their welfare check.

    I understand because of the still bad economy people are having a hard time finding a job. A better solution to this would have been a stronger economy creating more job openings. But, under Obama’s direction the jobs weren’t there and he opted for a change to Clinton’s Welfare Reform Act.

    The very first sentence of your article really does say it all. “One man’s gutting is, of course, another man’s tweaking”

  28. Tina says:

    Peggy everything this administration does falls under the pretense of “tweaking.” This is another example of Obama asserting “flexibility.”

    Since the number of long term unemployed is 2.1 million, the number of unemployed is 8.3 million, and the number of involuntary part-time workers is 6.5 million as of June the chances of finding work is pretty slim. Chris, of course, would not hold President Obama responsible for this miserable condition. Bush did it!

    Tweaking the law was a useless exercise (practically) but a great vote getter and legacy point…what a guy!

  29. Chris says:

    Peggy what Obama’s move did was give more freedom to states to decide who meets their requirements and who doesn’t. I thought conservatives were for states having more freedom from the Feds?

  30. Dewey says:

    Reply to Tina:

    Dewey why do you rant and rant, armed with only bitsand pieces of knowledge, a laundry list of distortions, and a lot less understanding than you think?

    It’s a mystery I tell ya.

    ———————————-

    Miss Tina Rant and Rave?

    I understand those here only watch Fox and read Breibart type sites. I turn that back at you.

    Maybe it’s time for you to open up to facts and what the general population knows. How the general population feels. Chico is not representative of most of USA.

    I asked a question – Why no conversation about the Tea Party Nation Mass Murderer? Or the Council of Conservative Citizens mass murderer?

    Simple question. Not a Rant, a question…………………Care to reply?

  31. Dewey says:

    The hate Obama stuff is getting old, Let’s talk about real issues! Real facts and have an honest election…perhaps?

  32. Peggy says:

    Chris, Conservatives are for following the rule of law, which Obama has repeatedly refused to do. The Welfare Reform Act was/is still the law of the land passed by Congress. If Obama wanted to change it he was/is required to have Congress make those changes.

    We all know, except for you and the other Obama worshipers, he believes he can do what he wants and to hell with Congress and our Constitution. Our Founders wrote in a system of checks and balances for a reason. That reason was to stop a despot, such as Obama, from taking over total control by discarding the other equal branches of gov’t.

    The original intent of the supremacy clause was to insure the rights of the states was supreme and federal gov’t was limited to the specific powers granted in the Constitution. The thirteen original colonies demanded the supremacy clause or they would not have agreed to uniting the states. It has obviously morphed to now states have very little rights. ObamaCare and the same sex ruling are two of the latest rights Democrats have taken away from states.

    Yes you’re right Conservatives want states to have more control, but we also respect the laws of the land. We believe since laws are made by Congress changes to those laws should also be made by Congress and not some despot dictator.

  33. Tina says:

    Dewey that you think you speak for the general population is all I need to know about you.

    The mass murderer doesn’t represent the Tea Party or the values that Tea Party groups hold. That you assume such a ridiculous idea tells me all I need to know about you.

    Dylan Roof is responsible for his crime. He is charged with nine counts of murder. That’s as it should be…it’s called justice. Justice doesn’t even remotely resemble what you are engaging in…spewing nonsense.

  34. Chris says:

    Peggy: “Chris, Conservatives are for following the rule of law, which Obama has repeatedly refused to do. The Welfare Reform Act was/is still the law of the land passed by Congress. If Obama wanted to change it he was/is required to have Congress make those changes.”

    But he didn’t change the law. States must still meet the same requirements. He worked within the law in a way that his authority absolutely does allow.

    “ObamaCare and the same sex ruling are two of the latest rights Democrats have taken away from states.”

    States do not have the right to violate citizens’ constitutional rights. Citizens are entitled to equal protection of the laws under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution. By denying same sex couples marriage licenses, a minority of states were violating the equal protection clause. It is absolutely within the authority of the Supreme Court to strike down unconstitutional laws; that’s exactly what they did in the same sex marriage case. States were utterly unable to provide a compelling reason to discriminate based on gender when it comes to marriage.

    As for Obamacare, this does not violate states’ rights; states had a lot of freedom in whether to accept funds for ACA programs.

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