by Jack
I’ve been deliberately holding back on commenting about this Mueller investigation, because I want to see what all his cards are, before committing to a final judgement. But, right now, and after over two years of the most intense investigation I’ve ever seen, what do we have? Six people that didn’t tell truth about events that were of a non-criminal nature? And one incident of tax evasion? Where’s the collusion?
If this is it, if this is all they have, then the whole thing has been pretty a shocking waste of time, money and resources. So, fine, I will continue to wait a little longer, but this better wrap up soon. Right now it looks like Trump and friends may have a darn good counter-case coming against a lot of Washington bureaucrats for conspiracy to undermine his presidency by using the FBI to do their dirty work.
“Washington (AFP) – Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into possible collusion between Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia in the 2016 presidential election is close to being wrapped up, Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker said Monday
Mueller’s office has been notoriously tight-lipped about the progress of the high-profile investigation, and Whitaker’s remarks were the first official indication that the probe may be coming to a close.
“The Mueller investigation is close to being completed,” Whitaker told journalists.
“I’ve been fully briefed on the investigation and I look forward to Director Mueller delivering the final report,” he said.”
Mueller’s team staged an early morning SWAT raid on Roger Stone to intimidate those who might be “witnesses” just like he did with Manafort’s arrest. And miraculously, CNN was there to film it!
And since there has been NO evidence of “Russian collusion” that Mueller was tasked to find, he’s reduced to getting indictments for process crimes that his own team helped create.
Secret courts and behind-closed-door testimony is NOT the way our justice system is supposed to work!!
Mueller and his Merry Miscreants are a great reason to limit the time and $$ of ANY special prosecutor. If he really wanted to find any “Russian collusion” all they had to do was look toward $hrilLIARy and the DNC.
The 7th Floor of the FBI was weaponized by Obumble and should receive the same treatment Hercules gave the Aegean stables.
J. Soden….Yeah, that was really uncalled for wasn’t it? The feds went after him like he was a Mafia kingpin or an international drug dealer. Those dawn raids are usually reserved for the worse kind of criminal, not the petty junk they been finding.
Roger Stone had a great take on the SWAT raid. He stated that there were more folks there to arrest him than were either at the Bin Laden raid or went to Benghazi to help . . . . . .
And he’s 100% right!
You don’t know what you’re talking about. There was nothing unusual about the way Stone was treated. And nobody who supports a president who has specifically told police to be rougher with suspects gets to complain about it.
The police abuse people routinely in this country. You could be talking about actual victims of brutality. The Left has been trying to get you to care about them for years. But you choose this moment to talk about unfair treatment by the feds because now they’re arresting people who remind you of you.
Once again, Chris ASSumes and contributes hot air.
Wonder how he’d feel if the SWAT team visited him in the early morning . . . . . . .
Yup! lol Good on J. Soden
What do you think I’m “assuming?” That the treatment of Stone was routine and appropriate? That’s a fact, according to actual legal scholars like Renato Marioti and Ken White. They don’t write for the Gateway Pundit or Breitbart, so you wouldn’t have heard of them.
That Post Scripts, and conservatives more generally, didn’t give a rat’s ass about police mistreatment of citizens until people around Trump started to get arrested for crimes? Again, a fact, as evidenced by the hostility toward liberals for raising our voices about police brutality over the past decade. Forgive me if I greet the “law and order” party that got up in arms about Kaepernick kneeling with the world’s largest eyeroll for now feeling the need to take a knee for Roger freaking Stone.
Chris said, “That Post Scripts, and conservatives more generally, didn’t give a rat’s ass about police mistreatment of citizens until people around Trump started to get arrested for crimes?”
Chris, I’ve ALWAYS been concerned about use of force and abuse of power by the police. I know that it’s way to easy too use the technicality of the law and/or violence that outwardly appears within the bounds, when in fact it is not. We’ve seen too many examples of really bad police conduct to say that it doesn’t happen. But, I think on the whole police really do behave extremely well given their millions of trying situations that occur every year. But, how many acts of bravery and rescue do cops have to do before we can accept one case of police abuse of power? See, this is where it gets tricky, society wants perfection from all police, all the time, and police are human beings with human weaknesses. So try as they might, they will never be able to live up to what society expects and that one bad incident wipes out countless acts of excellence. Right now the police are living under a microscope and they are being unfairly judged, in my opinion. But, I know there are bad cops and they do bad things all the time. Its a shame and we ought to deal harshly with them whenever they are caught!
Justify that “yep,” Jack. Nowhere did J. Soden rebut my argument, because he can’t, and you know that.
You’re smarter than this. Stop pretending not to be for people like J. Soden. Just because they validate you doesn’t make them right. Facts don’t care about your feelings. You are misleading your readers, who desperately want to be misled.
“Chris, I’ve ALWAYS been concerned about use of force and abuse of power by the police.”
Evidence, please. Where are the articles on Post Scripts detailing incidents of unjust uses of force and abuse of power by the police? In most of the high-profile incidents that have made national news over the past decade, you and the other conservatives on this site have taken the side of the police. That’s what you did when an officer unlawfully pepper sprayed sitting protesters at UC Berkely. It’s what you did with Eric Garner. It’s what you always do…until now, when the “victims” are rich white men who have not actually been abused by the police at all.
Wow… Chris you sure go out of your way to start a cat-fight. To prove that I was not being truthful you retorted with this doosey, “Evidence, please. Where are the articles on Post Scripts detailing incidents of unjust uses of force and abuse of power by the police?” C’mon Chris…that’s your litmus test? (chuckle)
When the liberal press or special interest groups (mobs) unjustly accuse the police, as they did in the Trayvon Martin case, I like to write a counter-point. But, when a news story is rightly critical of the police, I do not always feel justified in adding my voice to the critics. I think that would only further damage our thin blue line that separates society from chaos. This does not mean that I am not concerned about abuse of power or even when cops do something accidentally wrong. I know it happens and it’s a shame. But, on balance these are rare events compared to millions of calls they handle correctly all the time.
This is your free speech podium and you are free to blast the cops, but I prefer to use a lot of discretion before being critical. Bottom line, I have been critical of the police here on PS, specifically regarding the handling of a few local thefts, some homeless crimes and one time for not using deadly force to stop an escaping killer. There’s probably more, but you should get the picture now… if you want to get it?
Chris now you’re being unfair by selectively picking and choosing your facts, while completely ignoring facts that don’t support your narrative. Fact: I have been critical of the police on a number of occasions in PS, as I pointed out. However, I refrain from going out of my way to be critical of every mistake/abuse police make that finds its way into the news. I’m very much pro-police! Your assertion that I am only concerned [now] because police are abusing rich white people? That’s laughable… you may have the last word. You will anyway.
Wow… Chris you sure go out of your way to start a cat-fight. To prove that I was not being truthful you retorted with this doosey, “Evidence, please. Where are the articles on Post Scripts detailing incidents of unjust uses of force and abuse of power by the police?” C’mon Chris…that’s your litmus test? (chuckle)
Yes, my litmus test for whether you actually care about abuse of citizens by police is whether you have written articles critical of abuse of citizens by police on the political blog that you have run for over a decade, which has frequently dealt with the topic of police abuse by siding with the police.
How is that an irrational litmus test?
When the liberal press or special interest groups (mobs) unjustly accuse the police, as they did in the Trayvon Martin case, I like to write a counter-point.
No one unjustly accused the police of brutality in the Trayvon Martin case. Martin was shot by a lunatic, violence-prone citizen, not a police officer.
But, when a news story is rightly critical of the police, I do not always feel justified in adding my voice to the critics. I think that would only further damage our thin blue line that separates society from chaos.
Except when the FBI is fairly and responsibly arresting Trump campaign officials for crimes, in which case, you are more than willing to falsely accuse the FBI of inappropriate conduct and let the Trump officials off the hook for their crimes.
This does not mean that I am not concerned about abuse of power or even when cops do something accidentally wrong. I know it happens and it’s a shame. But, on balance these are rare events compared to millions of calls they handle correctly all the time.
This is your free speech podium and you are free to blast the cops, but I prefer to use a lot of discretion before being critical. Bottom line, I have been critical of the police here on PS, specifically regarding the handling of a few local thefts, some homeless crimes and one time for not using deadly force to stop an escaping killer. There’s probably more, but you should get the picture now… if you want to get it?
So…your evidence that you care about the issue of police brutality is to point out that you have been critical of the police for not being aggressive enough? You thought that was a good idea to type and send that?
Fact: I have been critical of the police on a number of occasions in PS, as I pointed out.
I did not say you have not been critical of the police. I said you were not generally critical of abuse of citizens by the police. You moved the goalposts to show examples of you criticizing the police for not being aggressive enough, which is the exact opposite of criticizing abuse of citizens by the police.
I can’t make this any clearer.
“Mueller’s team staged an early morning SWAT raid on Roger Stone to intimidate those who might be “witnesses” just like he did with Manafort’s arrest.”
Oh, come on … Mueller just knows what kind of fellas he’s dealing with. Christie, for instance, (and not the most honorable fella himself) is having a fine time airing the Kushner families dirty laundry on his book tour:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/30/politics/chris-christie-jared-kushner-father/index.html
Juicy Bit:
“Christie was referring to an elaborate revenge plot that the older Kushner hatched in 2003 in order to target his his brother-in-law, William Schulder, a former employee turned witness for federal prosecutors in their case against Kushner, who was under investigation at the time for making illegal campaign contributions.
“As a part of the plot, Kushner hired a prostitute to lure Schulder into having sex in a Bridgewater, New Jersey, motel room as a hidden camera rolled. A tape of the encounter was then sent to Kushner’s sister and Schulder’s wife, Esther.
“Ultimately, the intimidation stunt failed. The Schulders brought the video to prosecutors, who tracked down the call girl and threatened her with arrest. She promptly turned on Kushner.
“In a plea deal negotiated by Christie, Kushner pleaded guilty to 16 counts of tax evasion, one count of retaliating against a federal witness — his brother-in-law — and another count of lying to the Federal Election Commission.”
That Trumpian Milieu is nothing admirable … and entirely SWAT worthy.
“But, right now, and after over two years of the most intense investigation I’ve ever seen, ….”
Short memory, Dude.
Whitewater? Three investigations? Five years? … Convictions: One.
Benghazi? Three investigations? Ditto? … Convictions: None.
Ol’ Mueller is way up, even before the Trump report is released. But I share your impatience to have it done … so we can get on with the impeachment hearings. Giggle.
Or shall we wait … til January 19, 2021 … to slap the cuffs on his aged and decrepit self? I just can’t make up my mind.
It’s true Libs, Whitewater and Benghazi were terrible disappointments and because investigators were incompetent that was ultimately a waste of time and money too.
Horsepucky. The investigations found what there was to be found. You are just bummed because that wasn’t much.
And that is only because you frequent “news” outlets that get you all excited for nothing.
My pundits are very careful not to get me too hopeful:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/28/politics/chris-christie-donald-trump-no-collusion/index.html
Libs, let me say this again, I am not a devout fan of the Donald. The stuff he says makes me think he is an egotistical nutcase. That said, I do agree with some of his policies and campaign promises. I also like how he is not a Beltway insider. But, I don’t like the way he handles his staff, his off the cuff remarks to the press and his impulsive tweets. His mouth has been the worst part of his presidency. He really bugs me, I’m sorry to admit, wished he was a better person, but he’s not.
Fair points and well said.
I’ll be interested to hear if your opinion changes after you’ve filed this year’s return.
My returns Libby, Donald and I are not exactly in the same tax bracket. You and I are much closer to the same tax bracket.
That’s the point, Dude. Fellas in Donald’s bracket will purportedly do well.
You will, probably, at best, see no change, and at worst see something else entirely. Like I said, I’d be interested to hear.
Remember that $670 I hoped to see? Alas. Filed promptly on Friday. Not a penny of that nearly $10K will be returned to me. I am bummed … but not surprised.
Well Libs, I feel your pain, I get nothing back either.
But does that mean your taxes went up? or down? or stayed the same. This is the data we are looking for … and the fact that you avoid providing it is telling. So you tell me how you can persist in supporting a political party that repeatedly tells you it will lower your taxes … but never, ever, ever has.
Have no doubt the corrupt participants of the past administration are actively involved in destroying the Trump administration.
Sidney Powell on Robert Mueller’s ‘poster boy for prosecutorial misconduct’:
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_speedtest&hsimp=yhs-pty_speedtest&hspart=pty&p=mark+levin+sydney+powell+fox+youtube#id=1&vid=6283990a2fe7090e20c7811994f51279&action=click
“Where’s the collusion?”
What an astounding week to ask this question. The facts of the Stone arrest make the collusion clear: Stone colluded with Wikileaks, an arm of Russian propaganda, to get and release dirt on Hillary.
Now, it’s unclear whether that’s illegal. He wasn’t charged for that, but for lying about it. The phrase “It’s the cover-up, not the crime” springs to mind.
It’s also unclear whether Trump knew of this collusion. But no one can argue with a straight face that he couldn’t have known about it, or that he wouldn’t have approved of it had he known. He showed his enthusiasm for Russia’s help when he publicly said they should find more of Hillary’s e-mails (and no, it’s not a joke if you really want it), and then continued to help Russia deny or downplay their election meddling while consistently praising the country and its tyrannical, anti-America leader.
We also know Trump covered up other issues, such as his involvement in the Moscow Trump Tower deal, during the election. He said over and over during the campaign that he had no business dealings with Russia during this time, and now Guliani (the worst lawyer in the world) says those dealings continued up to the day he became president. Why are none of you upset by this lie?
He covered up his affair with Stormy Daniels, going as far as to direct Cohen (the second worst lawyer in the world–don’t worry, Avenatti is third) to commit a campaign finance violation in order to hide it from the public. (There may also be evidence that Trump directed him to lie to Congress about it as well.)
He may have also covered up his knowledge of Don Jr.’s meeting with people who said they were working on behalf of the Russian government in order to help elect Trump. That was proof of attempted collusion by someone on the campaign, and we’ve had it for a year and a half now.
So while there are several details up in the air, the rate at which we keep getting new information of course justifies continuing the investigation. You don’t end an investigation when you keep uncovering new crimes; no one would. And the argument that the investigation never should have happened is removed from reality; no rational DOJ would have refused to investigate whether Trump or his campaign colluded with Russia given the facts that were known at the time, and the facts have only gotten worse since then.
I do hope the investigation is almost over, and I see signs that it’s wrapping up. But the Stone arrest in particular doesn’t bode well for a happy ending to this investigation for Trump.
Branco sums it up without words . . . .
http://dailytorch.com/2019/02/cartoon-big-game/
Update on Mueller and his Merry Miscreantsw:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/exclusive-documents-show-cnn-was-tipped-off-on-roger-stone-arrest-by-29-fbi-armed-agents-leaked-by-fbi/
OOPS! How did that “w” sneak in there?
Thanks J. good link!
The Gateway Pundit?
In 2019?
You’re not embarrassed by this?
Nope – and here’s a pix from last night’s SOTU speech from the Gateway Pundit which says it all. . .
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/wardrobe-malfunction-democrats-wear-white-gowns-to-sotu-in-wake-of-northam-kkk-scandal/
That’s idiotic.
But very effective with idiots … which is a problem.
Regarding above rant from Chris that I didn’t rebut his argument – I gave up on trying to argue with fools who have to resort to name-calling instead of facts long ago.
+1.
You “resorted to name-calling” in nearly every single comment you posted on this thread. You name-call Democrats in nearly every comment you have posted on this site for as long as you have posted on this site.
How could you be so stupid to pretend that you are against name-calling on principle now, and expect anyone to believe you?
Yes, J’s solid LACK of self-awareness is his most impressive quality … and so his hypocrisies bother him not at all.
For Chris’ and Lippy’s viewing pleasure . . . . . . .
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/security-footage-of-roger-stones-arrest-like-seal-team-6-going-into-bin-laden-compound-tucker-carlson
And at the risk of upsetting Chris again, here’s a new article from the Gateway Pundit.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/ben-stein-on-ocasio-cortez-she-doesnt-know-her-ass-from-her-elbow-video/
Pound sand, Chris!
On an unrelated note…can you imagine if Obama had ever tweeted this about one of our nation’s enemies? You would all be apoplectic…and you’d be right.
“North Korea, under the leadership of Kim Jong Un, will become a great Economic Powerhouse. He may surprise some but he won’t surprise me, because I have gotten to know him & fully understand how capable he is. North Korea will become a different kind of Rocket – an Economic one!”
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1094035813820784640?s=21