Where’s the Accountability? Dead, just like many of the voters in Chicago

by Jack

There are relatively few clear instances where we can point the finger of blame at the president of the United States and have a massive “I told you so moment.”  Obamacare is one such instance.  In 2017 premiums are going up about 23%, plan choices are fewer, insurance companies are withdrawing because not enough healthy people are signing up.  Insurance companies are losing money on Obamacare and we’re down to only 53 companies participating, a drop of over 30%.

Two words, epic fail, come to mind when I think of Obamacare.  And voters were warned it would fail, the evidence was presented by republicans and independents.  But, too many voters rejected it or did not take the time to investigate the facts for themselves.

obama_penDemocrats in Congress and the Senate backed Obama despite all the evidence that it would not work.   They knew, or should have known, it was not cost effective and would eventually fail.   The creators of this plant knew it would not increase healthcare choices, would not save a family of four $2500 a year and it would certainly not improve the quality of care for  the average American.   But, they pushed it anyway because the real goal, the hidden agenda, was a single payer – socialized medicine and complete government control.

Right out of the gate, the proponents knew this was a massive loser, and so many false claims had to be made to pass it.   One of the key architects of Obamacare, Jonathan Gruber, was caught on camera admitting to the deceit!  ”Yeah, We lied to the “Stupid” American people to get it passed,” says Gruber.

What sort of charlatans would pass a loser like Obamacare and call it a winner?  Well, that’s easy, every democrat in both houses and the worst president in the history of the United States.   And ironically voters are ready to re-elect many of them! lol  Doubling down on stupid does not get us above stupid…it’s like zero times zero is still zero no matter how many times you do it.

Oh, if I were King, and be glad I’m not because heads would roll!  I would suspend the democratic party for massive criminal conduct.Hillary

These underhanded people should be ashamed, but you won’t hear any of them admitting they were wrong.   They deserve to be held accountable for passing something that was so awful, so fraudulent and so costly it has deeply hurt America, but they won’t, because ultimately this part is left to the voters.

Nov 8th we shall use the power of the vote!   But, the cynical me thinks, millions of dead people, illegal aliens, ex-cons, mental patients, and other recently registered democrats will cast a ballot that will totally undermine yours.  All your responsible due diligence will count for nothing.   2017 will be the same as 2016, which was the same as 2015, which was the same as….



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14 Responses to Where’s the Accountability? Dead, just like many of the voters in Chicago

  1. dewster says:

    Not quite

    it was said the premiums would go up.

    now explain to me what Obamacare is cause people seem to think it is a healthcare policy to which it is not.

    The states that did not join and GOP wanted to make it not work so here we have it. it was a wedge. A path to stop the bleeding. They were suppose to work on it and make it better.

    Before people were thrown off their healthcare the minute they got sick for preexisting. Diabetes tests, anything to not pay for costly surgery ect. Even a pregnancy was considered preexisting condition.

    So let us have a discussion. let us include the prices of drugs in the USA.

    Of course those on socialist healthcare like medicare and vets programs shall not be included. They are on the gov dole.

    Let us discuss this.

    Oh yea could you please provide the proof of the millions of dead people, illegal aliens registered to vote. Real proof not some bloggers accusations.

    • Tina says:

      “…it was said the premiums would go up.”

      By whom?

      President Obama went around the country telling people he would reduce premiums by an average $2500.00 per family per year.

      Nancy Pelosi lectured that the law was “affordable.”

      This was one of many lies Democrats floated to get support for Obamacare.

    • Pie Guevara says:

      You have to be dreaming, Dopey. Discuss your half-baked, twisted lies and incoherent convolutions about anything? First of all, you would NEVER enter into a discussion. You constantly run away from your idiotic and false assertions and when you do not, you argue like a Pakled. “I am smart, you are stupid.” So case closed.

      Second, you truly are a demented, sociopathic nutcase who thinks he is God’s gift to the world. What person in their right mind would “discuss” anything with a self-aggrandizing troll like you?

  2. dewster says:

    Here ya go. Let’s start with this email. It kind of explains what is really happening. Insurance companies are crooks. They find a way to gouge and they will.


    HRC, insurance premium increases, and ObamaCare, NY Times story

    To: john.podesta@gmail.com
    Date: 2015-07-04 21:08
    Subject: HRC, insurance premium increases, and ObamaCare, NY Times story

    John, if insurers and/or insurance commissioners push for price increases of 20%
    to 40% for premiums now that the Supremes have upheld the subsidy, HRC would
    be well advised to immediately and publicly threaten not to do this. And at a minimum
    support the public option. The subsidies were not created to subsidize huge premium
    increases once they were upheld by the court. This becomes a de facto taxpayer
    financed bailout through subsidies that insurers exploit to gouge customers claiming
    ObamaCare as the reason.

    If the NYT story is correct about huge premium increases—-and I believe it is—HRC does not want to be in the position of defending ObamaCare during huge premium increases while Bernie Sanders (correctly in my view) pushes single payer and liberals
    in Congress and nationally go ballistic—as they should, and I will—about insurer abuse—while Republicans charge—not incorrectly if it happens—that ObamaCare
    caused these premium increases.

    Premium increases are so politically deadly because they affect so many people, so
    deeply, and so visibly to them. HRC should IMO speak loudly, clearly, aggressively
    and quickly about this. Brent”

    • Tina says:

      Democrats didn’t keep their promises to the insurance companies either but I have little sympathy for a group that dug it’s own grave and should have known better!

      Democrats made a deal with the big health insurers. They promised that Obamacare would be so terrific that millions of young healthy people would rush to sign up. That didn’t happen. Instead, it was such a lousy deal, healthy young people chose to pay the fine instead. At the same time, most of those people who did sign up were much sicker than expected. The result was that costs skyrocketed while expected revenues failed to materialize. Losses have now become unsustainable. In April 2016 The Hill reported:

      Health insurance companies are amplifying their warnings about the financial sustainability of the ObamaCare marketplaces as they seek approval for premium increases next year. …

      … a report from McKinsey & Company found that in the individual market, which includes the ObamaCare marketplaces, insurers lost money in 41 states in 2014, and were only profitable in 9 states.

      … The clearest remedy for the losses is for insurers to raise premiums, perhaps by large amounts — something Republicans have long warned would happen under the healthcare law, known as the Affordable Care Act (ACA).

      Please note the insurance companies have to get “permission” to raise rates.

      Also please note that any increases in government subsidies will be paid by taxpayers…government has no money that it doesn’t take from the people.

      A single payer system will create a monopoly controlled by the same people that put Obamacare together…and gave us Medicare one of the main drivers of our out of control debt.

      Free market competition with minimal regulation is the way to bring down costs for both premiums and healthcare. Unfortunately politicians are easily lobbied and human nature demands the easy path.

      Writing for Mises in 2013, Mike Holly explains how regulations (Obamacare has thousands of pages) make healthcare expensive:

      Since the early 1900s, medical special interests have been lobbying politicians to reduce competition. By the 1980s, the U.S. was restricting the supply of physicians, hospitals, insurance and pharmaceuticals, while subsidizing demand. Since then, the U.S. has been trying to control high costs by moving toward something perhaps best described by the House Budget Committee: “In too many areas of the economy – especially energy, housing, finance, and health care – free enterprise has given way to government control in “partnership” with a few large or politically well-connected companies”

      In 1910, the physician oligopoly was started during the Republican administration of William Taft after the American Medical Association lobbied the states to strengthen the regulation of medical licensure and allow their state AMA offices to oversee the closure or merger of nearly half of medical schools and also the reduction of class sizes. The states have been subsidizing the education of the number of doctors recommended by the AMA.

      In 1925, prescription drug monopolies begun after the federal government led by Republican President Calvin Coolidge started allowing the patenting of drugs. (Drug monopolies have also been promoted by government research and development subsidies targeted to favored pharmaceutical companies.)

      In 1945, buyer monopolization begun after the McCarran-Ferguson Act led by the Roosevelt Administration exempted the business of medical insurance from most federal regulation, including antitrust laws. (States have also more recently contributed to the monopolization by requiring health care plans to meet standards for coverage.)

      In 1946, institutional provider monopolization begun after favored hospitals received federal subsidies (matching grants and loans) provided under the Hospital Survey and Construction Act passed during the Truman Administration. (States have also been exempting non-profit hospitals from antitrust laws.)

      In 1951, employers started to become the dominant third-party insurance buyer during the Truman Administration after the Internal Revenue Service declared group premiums tax-deductible.

      In 1965, nationalization was started with a government buyer monopoly after the Johnson Administration led passage of Medicare and Medicaid which provided health insurance for the elderly and poor, respectively.

      In 1972, institutional provider monopolization was strengthened after the Nixon Administration started restricting the supply of hospitals by requiring federal certificate-of-need for the construction of medical facilities.

      In 1974, buyer monopolization was strengthened during the Nixon Administration after the Employee Retirement Income Security Act exempted employee health benefit plans offered by large employers (e.g., HMOs) from state regulations and lawsuits (e.g., brought by people denied coverage).

      In 1984, prescription drug monopolies were strengthened during the Reagan Administration after the Drug Price Competition and Patent Term Restoration Act permitted the extension of patents beyond 20 years. (The government has also allowed pharmaceuticals companies to bribe physicians to prescribe more expensive drugs.)

      In 2003, prescription drug monopolies were strengthened during the Bush Administration after the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act provided subsidies to the elderly for drugs.

      In 2014, nationalization will be strengthened after the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010 (“Obamacare”) provided mandates, subsidies and insurance exchanges, and the expansion of Medicaid.

      The history of medical cost inflation and government interference in health care markets appears to support the hypothesis that prices were set by the laws of supply and demand before 1980 and perhaps 1990. Even the degree of monopolization and nationalization promoted by politicians before 1965 was not enough to cause significant cost inflation and spending increases (Figure 2) until demands created by Medicare and Medicaid outstripped the restricted supply of physicians and hospitals.

      It’s a very good paper, long, but well worth the read if you want to begin to understand how government involvement works against the people. When it bends to greedy demands of big corporations instead of looking out for the people we all lose as big insurance is now discovering.

      Government has shown itself to be stupid again and again, repeating the same mistakes over and over while hoping for a better result.

      But we can’t keep blaming politicians when we are the ones who elect them.

      The fundamental underlying problem seems to be ignorance within the populace. If our citizens better understood how things work they wouldn’t let corrupted politicians buy and bamboozle them. They would also be in a better position to elect leaders that understand the importance of competition and the limited, though important role they play in protecting the people from such incursions into our freedoms and choices.

      I defended GWB’s part D insurance because it contained market forces that helped to keep costs down, an improvement in the status quo. However, my position since this first became an issue in the seventies has been to get the federal government OUT of the healthcare business. Such an idea requires an alternate plan that includes assurances for those who have already spent a lifetime paying into Medicare under duress. The big win for the people, especially young people, would be worth ridding ourselves of the crushing weight of government involvement.

      In California Kaiser Permanente’s profits plummet nearly 40 percent in 2015…Kaiser is a nonprofit!

      UnitedHealth expects to lose nearly $1 billion on Obamacare…one of Obamacare’s biggest insurers.

      Obamacare patients sicker and pricier than expected:

      Highmark, the nation’s fourth-largest Blue Cross plan with members in Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Delaware… lost more than $773 million in its first two years on the exchanges. … Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina reported $282 million in Obamacare losses in 2015. To counter this, the company raised its rates an average of 32.5% for 2016. Its CEO, Brad Wilson, has said the insurer may exit the market in 2017.

      How much suffering must the people endure before we have the good sense to toss out the creators and promoters of this unworkable, expensive debacle which so accurately epitomizes the mind set of the Democrat leadership?

      Look around people…everything this administration, and the Democrats in Congress, have touched has turned to excrement. We the people, as always, are paying a very high price.

  3. Pie Guevara says:

    Being corrupt, big fat liars is a Democrat tradition. Here we go again —

    We Need to Clean This Up

    The truly weird and shocking thing is that the NYT carries this story and gives the appearance of actually doing their job. Maybe the writing is on the wall?

  4. Tina says:

    ”Yeah, We lied to the “Stupid” American people to get it passed,” says Gruber.

    Even when the elite of their party call them “stupid” for falling for the lies they continue to vote for these people…and they continue to believe the lies they tell about their opponents as well!

    How do they justify this blindness to things that are happening before their very eyes!?!!

  5. Pie Guevara says:

    Speaking of health care, this dentist deserves to be forced to give up his arms to gun control which will make all law abiding citizens safer —

    Suspect on PCP Terrorizes Houston Dentist Office and Gets Shot

  6. Libby says:

    Will you give it up? There is no quantity of dead Republican Chicagoans that might turn this election. (Think about this now.)

    You really need to get a grip.

  7. Deplorable J Soden says:

    We USED to have the greatest healthcare system in the world until the Demwits infected the country with Obumblecare and screwed it up.

    Remember the hue and cry a couple of years ago when individuals had to have their insurance cancelled in favor of Obumblecare? Employers were also supposed to have to cancel existing healthcare plans in October – just before the last election – and Obumble “waived” that requirement.

    The employer cancellation is still in the law – it just was “waived” for political reasons. Unfortunately, Obumble and the Demwits can’t “waive” the coming increa$e$ in premium$ and hopefully they’ll pay a price for their arrogance and chicanery on November 8th.

  8. Libby says:

    “We USED to have the greatest healthcare system in the world ….”

    Liar … or deluded? Deluded … or big, fat liar?

    Before the ACA 20 million Americans had no insurance at all. So how about you go soak your head … cause I am just … up to here … with these blatant misrepresentations of fact.

    • Tina says:

      The law did not really fix that problem, Libby. There are still many Americans living without insurance:

      Summary: Key Facts about the Uninsured Population

      How has the number of uninsured changed under the ACA? – In the past, gaps in the public insurance system and lack of access to affordable private coverage left millions without health insurance. Beginning in 2014, the ACA expanded coverage to millions of previously uninsured people through the expansion of Medicaid and the establishment of Health Insurance Marketplaces. Data show substantial gains in public and private insurance coverage and historic decreases in uninsured rates in the first and second years of ACA coverage. Coverage gains were particularly large among low-income people living in states that expanded Medicaid. Still, millions of people—28.5 million in 2015— remain without coverage.

      Why do people remain uninsured? – Even under the ACA, many uninsured people cite the high cost of insurance as the main reason they lack coverage. In 2015, 46% of uninsured adults said that they tried to get coverage but did not because it was too expensive. Many people do not have access to coverage through a job, and some people, particularly poor adults in states that did not expand Medicaid, remain ineligible for financial assistance for coverage. Some people who are eligible for financial assistance under the ACA may not know they can get help, and others may still find the cost of coverage prohibitive. In addition, undocumented immigrants are ineligible for Medicaid or Marketplace coverage.

      Who remains uninsured? – Most uninsured people are in low-income families and have at least one worker in the family. Reflecting the more limited availability of public coverage in some states, adults are more likely to be uninsured than children. People of color are at higher risk of being uninsured than non-Hispanic Whites.

      How does the lack of insurance affect access to health care? – People without insurance coverage have worse access to care than people who are insured. One in five uninsured adults in 2015 (20%) went without needed medical care due to cost. Studies repeatedly demonstrate that the uninsured are less likely than those with insurance to receive preventive care and services for major health conditions and chronic diseases.

      What are the financial implications of lack of coverage? – The uninsured often face unaffordable medical bills when they do seek care. In 2015, over half of uninsured people (53%) said that they or someone in their household had problems paying medical bills in the past 12 months. These bills can quickly translate into medical debt since most of the uninsured have low or moderate incomes and have little, if any, savings.

      How about you pull your head out! Believe me, we are not only up to here with “blatant misrepresentations of fact” but also absolutely livid that you and your lot created a very destructive “fix” that is costing taxpayers billions every year:

      …the CBO says that the Obamacare subsidies for private insurance will cost $43 billion this year alone. That’s an average of $5,375 per person for those who have been added to the private insurance rolls—or $21,500 per family of four. Meanwhile, the typical 36-year-old (or younger) who makes $36,000 a year (or more) gets $0 under Obamacare. Such everyday Americans instead get to help finance that $5,375-per-person cost for those who get private insurance under Obamacare, while facing far higher premiums and significantly narrower doctor networks themselves.

      As for those who Obamacare has newly enrolled in Medicaid, they are costing taxpayers even more—an average of $5,692 per person for this year alone ($74 billion divided by 13 million new enrollees).

      And that’s just the subsidy expense. This monster law has created a new federal bureaucracy. It’s increased the amount of time doctors, nurses and hospitals spend on paperwork instead of patient care.

      The problems that needed to be addressed could have been addressed without creating this monstrous law. Adding insult to injury you lot have also failed to create conditions for a strong recovery.

  9. Libby says:

    “The law did not really fix that problem, Libby.”

    Of course, it didn’t. But it was as much as the O-man could get through the bloody Congress. Single payer … with fix the problem. Everybody pays out of their taxes, and everybody feeds at the common trough. Unhappily, there are a number of people in this country who consider themselves superior to such an arrangement. They are very selfish.

  10. Deplorable J Soden says:

    Libby could certainly earn some extra $$ by renting out the space between her ears as storage.
    HAS to be empty given some of her spews here!

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