US Missiles Fall on Syria – Warning Graphic Photos!

By J. Al-Lee

dead_children_55(fill in date) Al Jazeera News Network, Damascus – U.S. Missiles reigned down upon several hospitals and an orphanage killing and maiming hundreds of innocent civilians, mostly children.

Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela and North Korea were among a number of UN member nations that strongly denounced the military strike as wanton aggression to exploit Syria’s political turmoil.  They have pedged humanitarian aid to the victims of the attack.crowd

The Cairo office of Al Jazeera has been contacted by a high ranking government official within the Egyptian government and close to US intelligence sources says it was the CIA and their Zionist allies that set off the poison gas in order to establish a pretext for a war of conquest on the peace loving Syrian people.

Untouched by the deadly missile strike was Syria’s vast oil fields, further proof of America’s true motives. Meanwhile protests against America spontaneously broke out across the Middleast…

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The future news and photos of the carnage are in place and ready, all that’s holding them back is for the United States to actually launch the cruise missiles then the date can be filled in and the stories will hit the news wires around the world. Tags – Evil, American Warmongers, missiles, hate, revenge, Jews, Zionists, killing, children, Obama, imperialism, oil, illegal, war, aggression, civilians, babies, schools, hospitals

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26 Responses to US Missiles Fall on Syria – Warning Graphic Photos!

  1. Peggy says:

    “Pearl Harbor not actual act of war. Just a limited air strike with no boots on the ground.”

    Here’s an outstanding article by Rand Paul.

    http://ideas.time.com/2013/09/04/sen-rand-paul-why-im-voting-no-on-syria/#ixzz2dyT9dFfe

  2. Dewey_Bueno says:

    Rand Paul while right on this is no more than a koch candidate for president. The Middle east is a mess that the USA has basically created. We need to stop our Military Industrial Complex. Does not matter who is president they continue this old playbook. The last 2 wars unpaid for and the GOP sells us we need to cut all social services and taxes for the 2%? Hum no financial discussion for a war that is none of our biz? America is falling apart, stay home and start actually helping Americans. Try reading the Lewis Powell memo and follow the trail.

  3. Dewey_Bueno says:

    News
    Media
    Al-Jazeera

    Four Al-Jazeera journalists arrested in Cairo

    Qatar-based news network says it is victim of campaign after Mubasher Misr affiliate was raided and staff detained
    The detentions come after the network’s al-Jazeera Mubasher Misr affiliate in Egypt was raided and its staff detained. Egyptian authorities have labelled al-Jazeera Mubasher Misr a “threat to national security” and are taking steps to ban it.

    Egypt accused of jamming al-Jazeera

    Broadcaster says it has pinpointed four different sources of jamming after commissioning an interference detection company

    News
    Media
    Al-Jazeera

    Egyptian court orders closure of al-Jazeera affiliate

    Qatar-based broadcaster’s local affiliate to be shut down, along with three other channels, Ahrar 25, Al-Yarmuk and Al-Quds

  4. Tina says:

    Dewey if you are an independent you are an ignorant one…part of the occupy tyrants I suppose?

    Republicans are not in favor of tax cuts only for the 2%. they have never to my knowledge made such a proposal. And the Koch brothers are not Republicans (At least one is a long time libertarian) or particularly involved in politics, other than their libertarian support in the background.

    The recent targeting of them is a result of the left needing a counter weight for the prolific extreme leftist George Soros. He piles money into politics through hundreds of front organizations. But you show no equal concern for his involvement. Why not? I suggest that if you are truly independent you would be decrying the seventy years of leftist influence to our REPUBLIC!

    A ha…your agenda.

    For those interested: Lewis Powell must be a bad guy. he was appointed by Nixon and had ties to (evil) business.

  5. Chris says:

    I’m curious, Jack: Have you ever actually read or watched anything from Al-Jazeera?

    • Post Scripts says:

      Chris pulleeeeeese don’t be so literal. I had to come up with a news agency people would recognize from the Middleast. And yes I have listened to AJ and I also listen to NPR, read the WSJ, Forbes, the Atlantic and more.

  6. Dewey_Bueno says:

    I still do not believe in calling names during a discussion. occupy? No Independent who has studied presidents and politics.

    The Koch brothers have stolen the word libertarian I know, Fred Koch learned the oil biz from Stalin and they have never liked either political system. Fred Koch was one of the first members of the John Birch Society.

    The tax cuts? read the so called jobs bills in the house, more tax cuts and loopholes. tax cuts for the 1% were a campaign policy discussed. trickle down economics. meant supposed jobs to the house.

    I am not a leftist. I guess unless one drinks the kool aide one is a lefty now? I was a registered republican gone independent during the lies I saw last election.

    I have said all along Wall street runs the democrats as well. Soros is one of the 47 – 50 guys running this gov and he donated more to Romney than Obama he has no favorite. he is just buying law like the rest of them.

    Citizens United and the fact they all launder money through these fake non profit pacs should be a concern to everybody.

    • Jack says:

      “During his time in the Soviet Union, (Fred) Koch came to despise communism and Joseph Stalin’s regime, writing in his 1960 book, A Business Man Looks at Communism, that he found the Soviet Union to be “a land of hunger, misery, and terror”. He toured the countryside with his handler Jerome Livshitz. Livshitz gave Fred Koch what he would call a “liberal education in Communist techniques and methods” and Koch grew persuaded that the Soviet threat needed to be countered in America.

      According to his son, Charles, “Many of the Soviet engineers he worked with were longtime Bolsheviks who had helped bring on the revolution.” It deeply bothered Fred Koch that so many of those so committed to the Communist cause were later purged.

      He was one of the founding members of the John Birch Society.”

  7. Dewey_Bueno says:

    The Lewis Powell memos were a blueprint to dominate. History is there for those who seek truth I have these docs in pdf, I read them.

    • Post Scripts says:

      DB: Interesting you should mention Powell. His name doesn’t come up much anymore. I’m sure I’m not as familiar with his works as you, but from what I have read he seems to be on to something and had a good grasp of our future. Much of what he said has come to pass. -Jack

  8. Dewey_Bueno says:

    That is true & Fred Koch did not like democracy as well. I find the Koch version of libertarian to be twisted. As a young student I helped Ross Perot get on the ballot by petitioning. While I did not vote for him I felt it was good for others to run and helped.

    I was schooled on the actual Libertarian party and to the best of my recollection this version is not true.

    The Powell memos are around and it was requested as a blueprint writing. yes it laid the groundwork to what has passed.

    I find the trail of documents amazing and quite frankly do not like the results. A balance between human’s and corporations is the only way to retain democracy.

  9. Tina says:

    Fred Koch was an engineer who went to Russia with his invention because competitors in America were blocking his efforts. Jack filled in some of the rest of the history. There is more on another post.

    Republicans have passed legislation to help small businesses…all businesses…create jobs. You can track them here. Examples include:

    Reducing Regulatory Burdens Act H.R. 872 – Senate has taken no action to date

    Small Business Tax Cut Act H.R. 9 – Senate has taken no action to date

    Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2012
    H.R. 3630 – Signed into law by the President on February 22, 2012

    Pathway to Job Creation through a Simpler, Fairer Tax Code Act H.R. 6169 – Senate has taken no action to date

    Veterans Opportunity to Work Act H.R. 2433 – Senate has taken no action to date

    STEM Jobs Act H.R. 6429 – Senate has taken no action to date

    Putting the Gulf of Mexico Back to Work Act H.R. 1229 – Senate has taken no action to date

    Domestic Energy and Jobs Act H.R. 4480 – Senate has taken no action to date

    Coal Miner Employment and Domestic Energy Infrastructure Protection Act H.R. 3409 – Senate has taken no action to date

    Cut, Cap, and Balance H.R. 2560 – Senator Reid tabled the bill by a vote of 51-46

    You make a lot of charges without offering links to show your sources. I’d like to know exactly how Soros gave to Republicans. According to New York Magazine he gave as follows:

    Billionaire investor George Soros will be supplying $2 million to independent Democratic groups focused on grassroots election efforts as part of a greater donor initiative to enhance outreach and voter registration operations.

    You are not to be believed, pal.

  10. Harold says:

    DB who comments: “I find the trail of documents amazing and quite frankly do not like the results”

    This comment got me to thinking that maybe I did not understanding what Obama has accomplished more than any other President before him. He has an impressive list of accomplishments:

    First President to …apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.

    First President to have a social security number belonging to another man, from a state he has never lived in.

    First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States.

    First President to violate the War Powers Act.

    First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

    First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party. (His namesake)

    First President to spend a trillion dollars on “shovel-ready” jobs when there was no such thing as “shovel-ready” jobs.*

    First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.

    First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.

    First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S. including those with criminal convictions.

    First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.

    First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation (Chrysler) to resign.

    First President to terminate America’s ability to put a man in space.

    First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.

    First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.

    First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

    First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.

    First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.

    First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).

    First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.

    First President to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).

    First President to fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

    First President to appoint 45 czars (to avoid vetting or confirmation) to replace elected officials in his office.

    First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.

    First President to golf 73 separate times in his first two and a half years in office, 102 to date.

    First President to hide his medical, educational and travel records.

    First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.

    First President to go on multiple “global apology tours” and concurrent “insult our friends” tours.

    First President to go on 17 lavish vacations, including date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the
    taxpayers.

    First President to have 22 personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.

    First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.*

    First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense,

    First President to repeat the Holy Quran & tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth.

    First President to tell the military men and women that they should pay for their own private insurance because they “volunteered to go to war and knew the consequences.”

    Then he was the First President to tell the members of the military that THEY were UNPATRIOTIC for balking at the last suggestion.

    First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states (Mexico vs. Arizona).

    First president to seemingly willing wants to start a war over the deaths of another countries populace , and ignore deaths of four Americans on sovereign soil in the same region.

    Now am I going to catch all get out for this growing summery of Obamas accomplishments, most likely from the Liberal left, but that would not be a first.

  11. Chris says:

    Harold, nearly everything you just wrote was wrong. I only have time to respond to a few of those. As usual, it is a lot easier to just repeat lies without backing them up then it is to disprove them.

    The following will include a lot more personal insults and name-calling than I usually go in for. For promoting ridiculous lies and long disproven conspiracy theories, you deserve every one of them and more. You have the ability to find out that the stupid things you’re saying are not true, but you choose not to use that ability.

    “First President to …apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.”

    That never happened, you idiot.

    http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/transcript/bill-oreilly-separating-fact-myth-regarding-president-obama

    http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/ss/Obama-Student-Id.htm

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/studentid.asp

    “First President to have a social security number belonging to another man, from a state he has never lived in.”

    False, you idiot.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ssn.asp

    http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/social-security-number/

    “First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party. (His namesake)”

    False, you historically uninformed dolt. The first president to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party was, in fact, the first president: George Washington. The Militia Acts of 1792 required all able-bodied American men to buy a firearm. Later, President John Adams signed a law requiring ship owners to purchase medical insurance for their seamen.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/06/26/george-washingtons-individual-mandates/

    “First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer”

    The exact opposite of the truth, you ninny. President Obama DEFENDED the National Day of Prayer in court, and continues to issue a proclamation acknowledging the National Day of Prayer every year, including this year.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/05/01/presidential-proclamation-national-day-prayer-2013

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/prayerday.asp

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002706-503544.html

    “First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.”

    Not true, numbskull. President Obama never refused to “enforce” any law. He has refused to defend some in court. There is a difference. You may not understand that, because you’re genuinely stupid, but there is one.

    Every president since Reagan, and many before him, has refused to defend certain laws in court.

    http://www.volokh.com/2011/03/01/precedent-for-presidential-refusal-to-defend-statutes-the-administration-believes-to-be-unconstitutional/

    “First President to appoint 45 czars (to avoid vetting or confirmation) to replace elected officials in his office.”

    Misleading. Bush had a similar number of “czars.”

    “First President to hide his medical, educational and travel records.”

    False. Clinton also did not release his medical records.

    “First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.”

    Hey, you got one right! Good job, little buddy!

    First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense,

    First President to repeat the Holy Quran & tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth.

    First President to tell the military men and women that they should pay for their own private insurance because they “volunteered to go to war and knew the consequences.”

    Then he was the First President to tell the members of the military that THEY were UNPATRIOTIC for balking at the last suggestion.

    First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states (Mexico vs. Arizona).

    “First president to seemingly willing wants to start a war over the deaths of another countries populace , and ignore deaths of four Americans on sovereign soil in the same region.”

    False. There were more embassy deaths under both Bush and Reagan.

    Now that’s only about a third of the list you posted here, but given that you have now been caught lying about all of these examples, why should anyone believe the rest of them?

  12. Harold says:

    Chris Your so easy, Who do you think it was posted for! 🙂

  13. Chris says:

    Ah, I see. So shameless lying is totally acceptable if it’s in the interest of punching a hippie.

  14. Harold says:

    Some of you will appreciate this and Chris will not.

    Snopes, “Sorry, no matches were found containing Obamas accomplishment.”
    We’re sorry (Snopes) you didn’t find what you were looking for. Please try again, this time basing your search on one or two words you deem central to the item you are looking for.(Obama and accomplishments together don’t seem to work to well) Well thats no surprise is it@

    Chris you seem to delight in responding to such Internet sarcasms, I’ll try not to use you up in one post but you are such a good water-carrier for Obama, with such a vile contempt for any anti Obama satire. (quite the dandy with “it’s Bush’s fault though) If you do have the urge to purge again, Please try not to be so snippy and rude with such a pervasive need to name call. Your Obama base is dwindling remember only a little over half of voting America bought into anything good about Obama, less than that these days, ahhhhh so sad, and the rest of the worlds population doesn’t even give him that much respect. I thought I might chaff you with more of the same from above, (no not that high), this should allow you to vent the rest of your primitive and rudimentary, but embryonic style of acting out, and tonight you may sleep better for it,

    Some of you readers will appreciate this and Chris will not.

    I do not offer an explanation for anything posted here.

    If any other of our presidents had doubled the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?

    If any other of our presidents had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?

    If any other of our presidents had criticized a state law that he admitted he never even read, would you think that he is just an ignorant hot head?

    If any other of our presidents joined the country of Mexico and sued a state in the United States to force that state to continue to allow illegal immigration, would you question his patriotism and wonder who’s side he was on?

    If any other of our presidents had pronounced the Marine Corps like Marine Corpse, would you think him an idiot?

    If any other of our presidents had put 87,000 workers out of work by arbitrarily placing a moratorium on offshore oil drilling on companies that have one of the best safety records of any industry because one foreign company had an accident, would you have agreed?

    If any other of our presidents had used a forged document as the basis of the moratorium that would render 87000 American workers unemployed would you support him?

    If any other of our presidents had been the first President to need a Tele-Prompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?

    If any other of our presidents had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take the First Lady to a play in NYC, would you have approved?

    If any other of our presidents had reduced your retirement plan holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?

    If any other of our presidents had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympic Athletes, would you have approved?

    If any other of our presidents had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?

    If any other of our presidents had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought it a proud moment for America ?

    When Obama bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, did that make you proud?

    If any other of our presidents had visited Austria and made reference to the nonexistent “Austrian language,” would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

    If any other of our presidents had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current in their income taxes, would you have approved?

    If any other of our presidents had stated that there were 57 states in the United States,(oops :)) wouldn’t you have had second thoughts about his capabilities?

    If any other of our presidents would have flown all the way to Denmark to make a five minute speech about how the Olympic Games would benefit him walking out his front door in his home town, would you not have thought he was a self important, conceited, egotistical jerk?

    If any other of our presidents had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to “Cinco de Cuatro” in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, wouldn’t you have winced in embarrassment?

    If any other of our presidents had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded he’s a hypocrite?

    If any other of our presidents’ administrations had OKed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11?

    If any other of our presidents had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orleans, would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?

    If any other of our presidents had created the position of 32 Czars who report directly to him, bypassing the House and Senate on much of what is happening in America, would you have ever approved?

    If any other of our presidents had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

    So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can’t think of anything? Don’t worry. He’s done all this in 21 months — so you have at least that much time to come up with an answer.

    The statements in this post is factual and directly attributable to Barrack Hussein Obama. Every bumble is a matter of record and completely verifiable.

    No I didn’t provide sources. You wouldn’t believe them anyway, so go do your own research and spin it!

  15. Tina says:

    Harold as I recall Chris was an incredibly snarky smasher of George Bush for increasing our debt. The wicked delight he took in commenting was palpable!

    In fact the entire left was apoplectic on the subject taking every opportunity to offend. President Obama himself said Bush’s spending into debt was unpatriotic and irresponsible!

    Hypocrites one and all.

    Peter Wehner, the author of the 2011 article in Commentary (above link) concluded, “I would add among the many differences between Bush and Obama is the former made a very serious run at entitlement reform (Social Security) while the latter put us on an unprecedented spending spree, including a hugely expensive (and injurious) entitlement program, the Affordable Care Act.”

    The radicals that have taken over the Democrat Party are seeing their policies create ruin and disaster everywhere, they are dragging the rest of us through hell, and they are pretending everything is just peachy but they won’t be able to fix this mess with more of the same.

    They rebelled against the American establishment as teenagers and believed that when they finally came to power the world would become utopia at their capable hands. Such narcissism is rampant in these radicals and helped to usher in the first wave, Clinton…but Obama has acted as no other icon of the radical left ever could…and his audacity has exposed the lies of liberal/progressive ideals. (Unprecedented poverty and joblessness alone!!!)

    We have work to do. This bunch indoctrinated our children. They thought that when the miracle moment happened, young people would recognize it as the moment when “the rise of the oceans began to slow” and the “planet began to heal” and “we began to provide care for the sick”…blah blah blah and there would be no turning back they believed they could establish a permanent progressive power structure in Washington.

    We are witnessing unprecedented loyalty for the current leader of the radical left movement and for the failed ideology they have imposed. That can only happen with total indoctrination and brain washing.

    A few slipped through the cracks however, and are now waking up.

    Lets hope they awake to the wonderful influence of men like Ronald Reagan and others who have kept, and are keeping, the flame of liberty alive.

  16. Peggy says:

    Tina: “Lets hope they awake …”

    They are awaking again just as they’ve done before for the second or third time if we count the number of conservative seats won in the 2010 election.

    I bought my e-book copy of Mark Levin’s Liberty Amendments and am half way through it. He’s given us a plan, now we need individuals to implement it and our country will be restored to the Constitutional Republic our Founders intended for our form of governance.

    Here’s a portion of an article about Levin’s proposed Amendments. Also note it is #1 on the NY Times best seller list in three categories.

    Mark Levin’s Liberty Amendments:

    “Sadly, we have deviated from our constitutional form of government over the past century. That’s why Mark Levin has written The Liberty Amendments, a set of proposed constitutional amendments that will unambiguously downsize the federal government by targeting specific loopholes that have allowed the statists to adulterate our Constitution. Far from this being a radically new vision, Levin proves – through founding documents and floor debates at the Constitutional Congress – how his ideas are in line with what the Founders envisioned in our Federal government. It’s just that after years of deviating from the Constitution, it has become clear that we need very specific limitations on federal abuses – abuses that have gone far beyond the imagination of our Founders – in order to restore the Republic.

    Mark Levin is proposing ten amendments to the Constitution. Each one is written in thoughtful language so as to preclude any ancillary problems:

    Term Limits
    Repealing the 17th Amendment
    Restoring the Judiciary to its proper role
    Limiting Taxation and Spending
    Limiting bureaucracy
    Defining the Commerce Clause
    Limiting Federal power to take private property
    Allowing State Legislature to Amend the Constitution
    State Authority to Override Congress
    Protecting the Vote

    Taken as a whole, there is no doubt that these amendments would restore our Republican form of government. Every proposal is backed up by scholarly analysis of the Framers’ view on the proposal, an overview of what has changed since the founding, and the rationale for why the proposal is necessary.”

    Full article here:
    http://www.redstate.com/2013/08/13/mark-levins-liberty-amendments/

    Mark Levin’s ‘Liberty Amendments’ on New York Times best seller list as #1 in all 3 non-fiction categories — hardcover, e-book, and combined hardcover & e-book.

    http://nytimes.com/best-sellers-books/

  17. Chris says:

    Translation: “Obama sucks, so it’s OK to lie about him.”

  18. Tina says:

    Spending and debt under President Bush was not any more outrageous than under former Democrat and Republican Presidents, especially if you take into consideration the impact of unsustainable social programs that were conceived and passed under Democrat control. These are the main drivers of our debt. (Obamacare, if it is allowed to survive will soon contribute greatly to our debt threat.) That truth did not stop Democrat politicians, media, and supporters from spreading lies and distortions about the Bush record. Attempts to put the facts about the debt under Bush in context were met with smirks.

    Are these hypocrites now signaling that in future all criticisms of Republican Presidents will be above board and fair?

    Nah…they will continue to play from the Saul Alinsky, target and destroy playbook and hold others to a much higher standard.

    See record of debt as percentage of GDP for recent Presidents in column 8 from the left here. GWB and Clinton were about the same. Debt expressed as percentage of GDP has exploded under Obama.

    I trust our readers to decide for themselves who is lying and for what purpose.

    I also trust our readers to decide to what degree our presidents deserve the criticism they receive and the purpose and intention behind the criticism.

  19. Chris says:

    Tina, it is possible that I sometimes criticized Bush based on debt and spending while he was still in office, but that was hardly my biggest problem with our former president. I did not believe then and I do not believe now that debt and spending are anywhere near the most important issues facing our nation. My main critiques had to do with the Iraq War, national security, and income inequality.

    You say that Democrats hold double standards, which is probably true for many of them, but you have no problem doing the same thing. When you say you “trust your readers” to figure out what is true or false, what you are really saying is that you will never, ever correct a lie unless it serves you politically. You think this is justified because that’s what you have seen Democrats do for decades. By taking this stance you have accepted a sense of moral subjectivism that most conservatives claim to be against.

    You think Obama is terrible. OK. You have some valid points. As Harold showed, however, your side has also thrown a whole lot of shit to the wall just to see what sticks. I mean, for God’s sake, a few of the gems in Harold’s list flirt with birtherism. You should have a problem with that, Tina. When your side engages in tons of false and misleading attacks, it delegitimizes your valid points. If Obama really is so bad, you shouldn’t have to blatantly lie about him.

    I find myself defending Obama here so often because so many of the things said about him here are blatantly untrue. If you talked to some of my more liberal friends you’d get an entirely different perspective; with them I spend more time criticizing the president. Even Harold had a valid point about Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize when he had done nothing to earn it, and should have been actively disqualified as he was about to be inaugurated as a war-time president at the time. That was an absolute disgrace. But coming from a birther it just looks like Obama Derangement Syndrome.

    If you want to beat the Democrats, you have to do something about your credibility problem. Criticize Obama all you want. Lord knows in some respects, he’s earned it. But you can’t just make stuff up and promote disproven lies about Obama’s social security number and then expect to be taken seriously.

    That is why you are losing.

    If you want to continue to lose, then don’t change your behavior at all.

  20. Tina says:

    Chris: “When you say you “trust your readers” to figure out what is true or false, what you are really saying is that you will never, ever correct a lie unless it serves you politically.”

    Not true. You and I often disagree about what represents the truth. That is not surprising since we hold very different views.

    You have been welcomed here to express your views. You have also been welcome to object when you believe you have a different set of facts regarding an issue. I believe your ability to post whatever you believe to be true provides sufficient opportunity for anyone who reads our blog to either decide for themselves or choose to do research on their own before deciding what they think is right.

    The thing I deeply resent is your propensity to call me, and especially our other guests, liars and racists. You have been given a lot of leeway in this area. But you have not been asked to play policeman for this blog. Other people are not required to follow orders from you. I think its time you learned to reign it in.

    You are free to insist that something isn’t true or that, in your opinion it’s wrong but please refrain from lengthy arguments about whose source has the right information and whose doesn’t. And please, if you cannot comply with this request, consider creating your own blog where you will be free to set people up so you can knock them down all day long. That’s not what we do here.

    I would also appreciate it if you would stop telling me what I think and what I should think or do. For instance:

    “You think Obama is terrible.”

    I think Obama’s intentions for the country and his policies are terrible and have been a disaster for the country….every class and every race! There is a very big difference between the two.

    “…a few of the gems in Harold’s list flirt with birtherism. You should have a problem with that.”

    A bit presumptuous…you have no idea what I think of this list or how seriously I take it or to what degree I find truth in it! There are much bigger and more important things to be concerned about! And as Harold pointed out, it’s not like you (and the party you continue to support despite decades of this being directed at Republicans) haven’t asked for it.

    Also some of the things in that list are true or at least contain elements of truth no more exaggerated than “Bush Lied People Died” is a gross misrepresentation.

    “If you want to beat the Democrats, you have to do something about your credibility problem.”

    Tell me Chris…why do Democrats keep winning then?

    I’ve been a close observer for four plus decades and I can’t tell you how many times I marvel when Democrats win and get away with the most outrageous lies, misrepresentations, negative labeling, etc. Personally destroy the opposition is the number one rule in the Democrat playbook. It is the number one rule in the union playbook. Nobody asks Democrats to clean up their act or address their credibility problems.

    I will not bend Chris because I am tired of being kicked in the gut and represented as something worse than evil. I’m tired of the double standard and I will not bend. If I believe I have said something in error I will be more than happy to say so and make a correction. I will not play puppet and I will not wear a kick me placard on my back in the face of such an outrageous double standard.

    As far as accusations about Obama go my position is that history will reveal the truth. Leftist that have attempted to debunk the charges are just as subject to question in my mind as are the many questions that arose when a man was ushered into the presidency without being properly vetted and without much of a record on which he could be judged. I am willing to take the position that I do not, in fact cannot, be absolutely one hundred percent sure about any of it. I take this position with a clear conscience because there are boat loads of other things, positions and decisions, that invite my criticism and disdain.

    Your own behavior isn’t all that, Chris. I wouldn’t spend too much time with self congrats if I were you.

  21. Peggy says:

    Hey Tina, did you see this? It will give all of us hope for what 2014 and 2016 will be. People are waking up from this progressive/liberal nightmare. The video is disgusting, but very familiar.

    This Unexpected Crushing Defeat of Left-Wing Party Shows Winning Formula for GOP in 2014 & Beyond:

    “It is not that those on the right are opposed to ‘freedom from want,’ it is that they know that only a vibrant economy can provide just that. The pursuit of the American Dream is what built this nation, not the hollow promises of utopia repeated by the redistribution addicts, who profit politically at the expense of those who labor and lose their own dreams.

    Yes, the battle against the left must be fought on moral grounds.”

    http://www.ijreview.com/2013/09/77975-unexpected-crushing-defeat-left-wing-party-shows-winning-formula-gop-2014-beyond/

  22. Tina says:

    Peggy I’m frustrated. I’ve been having all kinds of computer problems. the latest is I can’t run video for one reason and another. But I read the article and had heard about the right turn in Australia in the latest election. Who can blame the people of Australia who have been fiscally raped by the green fraud lobby.

  23. Peggy says:

    Hey Tina and Harold, We have a first for this president.

    The first president to transform the US from the leader of the free world to a follower of a communist nation and its president.

    Can not believe this has happened in my life-time.

    He said he was going to transform us and he sure accomplished his goal. Therefore, he should be awarded first place booby prize for the worst president to ever sit in our oval office.

    Sorry to hear about your computer problems. Hopefully you can get it fixed soon and it’s not from the NSA bugging it.

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