by Jack
Seattle: Hamas Hatefest Depicts Jews Eating Christian Babies and Drinking Their Blood
A war is being fought for the hearts of minds of Americans by a terrorist organization…Hamas. Despite 9/11 and all the evidence since, a disturbingly large number of us are buying into Hamas’ rhetoric war.
The Arab-American community has not been very fair in dealing with anything to do with Israel. Their so-called non-profit, charitable organizations are virtually united in one negative opinion about Israel; many have been exposed for funneling money to Islamic terrorists like Hamas. You can see Hamas’s rhetoric at work in the pro-Palestinian street demonstrations from Seattle, to Washington D.C. and in their ads posted all over our major cities. It’s becoming alarming and it needs to stop!
Thanks to the Obama Administration and in particular Secretary of State, John Kerry, our relations with our only true Mideast ally is now at the lowest its ever been, just when they need our support the most!
I urge you to visit the following website, see what’s going on and then judge for yourself:
Jews drink the blood of children.
As Americans we embrace free speech, but Hamas and their bigoted allies are abusing our 1st amendment and they will continue to get away with it as they spew their lies until we respond with righteous indignation because we value the truth far more than their bile.
Above is an ad for the FBI’s most wanted. These are the faces of real terrorists. This should be a clue that even the most rabid liberal should understand.
It’s hard to know for sure, but its possible history may record these times as the beginnings of WWIII. If that is true, and I hope it’s not, we better be fully informed and then be prepared to take a stand when and where we can. The longer this terrorism from Hamas, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Isis and many others continues and spreads around the world like a cancer – the more tragic and destructive the grand finale will be, that much is an absolute guarantee. Imagine if we had only taken out Hitler in 1935 instead of 1945.
and Israels Propaganda? Or the fact they are paying their college students to produce propaganda?
LOL
1)1) Israel is exercising its right to self-defense?
As the occupying power of the Gaza Strip, and the Palestinian Territories more broadly, Israel has an obligation and a duty to protect the civilians under its occupation.
http://www.thenation.com/article/180783/five-Israeli-talking-points-gaza-debunked?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=onsite
Sheldon Addleson would be proud of you.
Dewey here’s a clue….Noura Arakat (your link) wrote that prejudiced piece of crap. She’s a hardcore PLO advocate and a Palestinian!!!! She’s a far left Berkeley grad and she’s up to her eyeballs in this mess! Really fair and balanced. I am getting a really clear picture of who you are Dewey.
By the way, who was protecting the civilian population when those rockets started falling into Israel? You are such a sucker…it’s unbelievable the crazy things you think. You are the most wrong headed person I have ever encountered.
Jack, I don’t see many Americans sympathizing with Hamas. I see them sympathizing with Palestinian civilians, who are killed in the unholy crossfire between Israel and Hamas. Do you recognize that there is a difference?
Yes Chris I sure do and virtually every conservative feels that way, that’s a safe bet! The problem isn’t with conservatives it’s far left liberals and idiotic no nothing students who protest vehemently against Israel like they were the terrorists. They’ve (Israelis) take extraordinary precautions at great risk to avoid collateral damage, while Hamas makes sure there IS collateral damage. Do y-o-u recognize there is difference?
Many of those signs are anti-semitic and disgusting. But that doesn’t really tell us much about Palestinians’ legitimate grievances for having their homes invaded, land stolen and movement restricted. I am sure I can find similarly ignorant signs with stereotypes about Mexicans at most anti-immigration rallies.
It’s unfortunate that the more ignorant Palestinian protesters are choosing to side with the leaders in Palestine in preaching hatred against Jews instead of doing something positive. You cannot fight hatred with hatred.
Defense of Israel does not mean lack of sympathy for the plight of innocent Palestinian civilians.
Israel is sympathetic to the plight of innocent Palestinians. Israel does whatever it can to help them.
The terrorists (Hamas) are enemy aggressors filled with hatred for the Jews.
It is insane that Americans or Israelis should have to explain themselves to American students/citizens as if we, or Israel, were the aggressors.
What is it about some/most liberals that they will not recognize a terrorist?
WAR. No decent person favors it. But WAR is being brought to us (Israel and the West)…why can’t liberals get it?
Chris the Israeli people do not teach or preach hatred…just the opposite!
Palestinians teach hatred of the Jews in their schools and mosques. The “innocent” Palestinians send their kids to these schools and are willing, eager, to sacrifice them as human bombs. How do you defend such hatred and pure evil? How does anyone attempt to draw an moral equivalence?
It’s baffling…frustrating…annoying.
Jack: “They’ve (Israelis) take extraordinary precautions at great risk to avoid collateral damage, while Hamas makes sure there IS collateral damage. Do y-o-u recognize there is difference?”
Yes, and I’ve mentioned that difference before myself, multiple times.
One difference I haven’t seen remarked on by any conservative here is the difference in the death toll. Palestinian civilian casualties absolutely dwarf Israeli civilian casualties. The precautions Israel is taking to prevent civilian deaths aren’t working. And Israel knows they aren’t working. And yet this isn’t causing them to change their tactics at all.
I recognize that Israel is in a difficult position because the threat from Hamas terrorists (see? I said the word and didn’t burst into flames! Does that make me a bad liberal?) is so pervasive. I am not saying Israel doesn’t have some valid reasons for the blockade and the restriction of movement of Palestinian citizens, but these policies are only causing more problems than it solves. Palestinian citizens have nowhere to evacuate to, and the deaths caused by the combo of Israel’s strikes and Hamas’ use of them as human shields only causes more radicalism and terror.
Tina: “The “innocent” Palestinians send their kids to these schools and are willing, eager, to sacrifice them as human bombs.”
What is this sentence supposed to mean? Does your use of air quotes mean that there is no such thing as an innocent Palestinian citizen? Do you believe all or most Palestinians are willing and eager to to sacrifice their children? Let’s see some numbers to back that up, otherwise I don’t think you have any idea what you’re talking about.
Your rhetoric about Palestinians here is just as bad as the anti-Semitic rhetoric seen in the signs in this article. You can’t even bring yourself to acknowledge that there are Palestinians who want peace and do not raise their children to hate anyone.
Chris, there are a number of reasons why more Palestinians have been killed than Israelis, but you should not interpret that as a lack of trying on the part of Hamas. Had they the ability to inflict more causalities on Israel they most certainly would. This is a point you seem to have missed. I’m more than willing to discuss the disproportionate number of casualties, but to what end? You know Hamas operates using human shields, right? What do you think will happen when you hide behind a human shield while firing missiles? When rockets are being launched the Israelis have but seconds to target and fire otherwise the enemy slips away. If Hamas chooses to operate in a densely populated area and civilians choose to linger in the area while the rockets are being setup and fired there is bound to be immediate casualties…how can you not see this? On the other side the rockets are aimed at cities in Israel and they fall where they may. One is a surgical strike – the other is a random strike. Chris, do you get it? The disproportionate casualties result from a dangerous, high risk, battle plan by Hamas, not by Israelis reckless attacks on civilians!
Next, I have a problem with this statement by you: “Your rhetoric about Palestinians here is just as bad as the anti-Semitic rhetoric seen in the signs in this article. You can’t even bring yourself to acknowledge that there are Palestinians who want peace and do not raise their children to hate anyone.” There is no moral equivalency between Tina’s honest opinion about how Palestinians behave towards the Israelis and Hamas’ rhetoric. They are miles apart! Chris do you not know that there is a concerted effort at home and in the schools and mosques to breed hate into Palestinian children? There is no such effort on the Israeli side. Certainly there are exceptions within the Palestinian community that genuinely want to live in peace, but you seem to be implying they are the overwhelming majority and they are not. Recent polling shows 76% of Israelis in favor of a peace agreement with the Palestinians. Counter this with the fact that only 22% of Gazans would opt instead “to end the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza to achieve a two-state solution. And even fewer, contrary to other recent findings, pick a “one-state solution,” in which “Arabs and Jews will have equal rights in one country, from the river to the sea.” That is the preferred option of a mere 11% in the West Bank and 8% in Gaza. Generations of Palestinian hate is the force blocking a sensible peace agreement.
Source: http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/new-palestinian-poll-shows-hardline-views-but-some-pragmatism-too
Former Professor Highlights a Little-Reported Fact About Gaza and 3 Moral Questions It Raises:
“In an article yesterday, former Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz made a point about the ongoing Hamas attacks on Israel that is rarely covered in the media.
Despite the often-heard statement that the Gaza Strip is “densely populated” – a point repeatedly used to explain why Hamas fires rockets from busy civilian areas – the reality is that there are indeed parts of Gaza that are thinly populated. Take a look at this map:”
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/165097-alan-dershowitz-highlights-little-reported-fact-gaza-moral-questions-raises/
Thanks Peggy, you and Pie are fantastic sources of good information. You totally debunk whatever Heir Dewman and Chris say negatively about Israel.
Oh yeah, this is real funny, so LOL Epic Fail Boy gets a laugh. Then the other progressive LOL dork goes on about supposed “Palestinians’ legitimate grievances for having their homes invaded, land stolen and movement restricted.”
What a perfect pair.
1) There are no “Palestinian” people. That is a political and tactical fraud created by Muslim Arabs to continue a war by proxy when the multiple actual wars they have waged to destroy Israel have never succeeded.
2) The Muslims living in Gaza have no legitimate grievances whatsoever when they elect to power and support regimes whose sole purpose is to destroy Israel.
3) Israel’s policy of disengagement from Gaza is just that. Disengage and confine an implacable enemy. If Muslims in Gaza did not seek to destroy Israel then Israel would not do what it deems necessary to prevent their destruction.
1) There are no “Palestinian” people. That is a political and tactical fraud created by Muslim Arabs to continue a war by proxy when the multiple actual wars they have waged to destroy Israel have never succeeded.
2) The Muslims living in Gaza have no legitimate grievances whatsoever when they elect to power and support regimes whose sole purpose is to destroy Israel.
3) Israel’s policy of disengagement from Gaza is just that. Disengage and confine an implacable enemy. If Muslims in Gaza did not seek to destroy Israel then Israel would not do what it deems necessary to prevent their destruction.
I could not agree more. -Jack
Forgot to include this related article in the above —
How the Media Craft Victory for Hamas
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/ben-shapiro/how-the-media-craft-victory-for-hamas/
Pie I just finished reading the article behind the link you provided. It was excellent…thanks.
Re #8 Peggy : Thanks for the link! Facts always trump the political propaganda progressives and their Islamo-facist bedfellows disseminate.
Chris: “Does your use of air quotes mean that there is no such thing as an innocent Palestinian citizen? Do you believe all or most Palestinians are willing and eager to to sacrifice their children?”
What it means is that people can appear innocent when in fact they are not! I have no way of knowing how many are willing and eager to sacrifice their children, nor do you. What we do know is that the Palestinians live under/within a culture of death. The Israeli’s do not.
My rhetoric stands in the face of ignorance and naivete, or downright militancy, that denies there is a difference in the two cultures and attempts to create a moral equivalency where there is none!
As to the question regarding Palestinian deaths, we can lay ALL of the deaths at the feet of the aggressors. Were it not for their position about Israel and their determination to wage war, none of these deaths would have occurred. Also most of the deaths attributed to Israel occur because of the way Hamas operates. They place their war headquarters and stockpiles of weaponry in hospitals, schools and homes. Israel does what it can to warn people so they can evacuate; their only desire is to destroy the enemy and its weapons.
“You can’t even bring yourself to acknowledge that there are Palestinians who want peace and do not raise their children to hate anyone.”
Liar! I make the distinction very clear in the first sentences of my last comment:
You have let your lousy attitude toward me overtake your sensibilities and judgement, as usual.
#15 Pie, a picture really is worth a thousand words.
After seeing so many videos of the Hamas rockets being placed next to hotels and homes and tunnels dug right under neighborhoods with entrances in homes, schools, etc. the map helps to understand where Hamas chose to place their weapons and build their tunnels. There’s no doubt they could have placed them in unpopulated areas and not used the people of Gaza as a human shield.
I’m fairly sure not all who live in Gaza hate all Jews, but have seen kids being taught in schools to hate and to want to kill all Jews.
Here is what the Gaza mother of the two sons who kidnapped and killed the three Jewish boys said.
“· Meet The Proud Mother Of Palestinian Man Accused In Death Of Israeli Teens – Maurizio Molinari
Amer Abu Aisheh is one of the two Palestinians that Israel accuses of having kidnapped and murdered three Israeli teens. Amer’s mother Nadia says “I am the mother of a Palestinian martyr, perhaps two because I will probably never see Amer again.”
Nadia says that she is “proud and strong because of what her sons have achieved,” and wishes Amer a “victorious Ramadan,” underlining that she feels they are “respected by their people and by Allah.” For Nadia, the definition of a martyr is “one who chooses to give their life to kill the Jews,” and being victorious means “achieving this.”
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2014/07/netanyahu-murderers-of-palestinian-teen-to-face-full-weight-of-law-2876218.html
Pie Guevara:
“1) There are no “Palestinian” people.”
This is a meaningless statement, used to justify racist policy. Even if you believe Palestinians are a recent invention without historical claim to the land, that does not change the fact that they are now a unique cultural group, and thus a “people.” Saying there is no Palestinian people is like saying there is no American people.
“2) The Muslims living in Gaza have no legitimate grievances whatsoever when they elect to power and support regimes whose sole purpose is to destroy Israel.”
This is a completely monstrous notion. Not only is collective punishment a violation of the Geneva Convention, most of Gaza’s populace (which is overwhelmingly young) were not even old enough to vote in 2006, when the last elections were held.
“I share this story because I think that lost in the current Gaza conflict is the story of the Palestinians as a people. Instead, they’ve been continually defined as being the “bad” part of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. They’ve been broadly labeled as terrorists or seen as acceptable losses. Some Israeli leaders have alleged Palestinians don’t exist, or called them “cockroaches,” “crocodiles,” or a “cancer.”
As you might imagine, being Palestinian is unique. When you tell someone you’re of Palestinian heritage, it’s not just an ethnicity, it’s a conversation starter. In fact, just saying the word Palestine inflames some. People will tell me to my face that there has never been a Palestine and there are no such thing as Palestinians. To them, I guess Palestinians are simply holograms.
When I ask these people what the land where Israel is now located was called before 1948, they tend to stammer or offer some convoluted response. The answer is simply Palestine. Not a big deal, really.
Indeed, the United Nations debate in 1947 over the creation of the state of Israel was described in terms of the “question of Palestine.” The U.N. even explained in its official summary that “It is recognized that Palestine is the common country of both indigenous Arabs and Jews, that both these peoples have had an historic association with it,” adding that “Palestinian citizens, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine.” It’s hard to hold legal citizenship of a place that doesn’t exist.
Nowadays, few disagree there is a Palestinian people. After all, there are more than 5 million Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza, and Israel alone. Of course, that didn’t stop Newt Gingrich from commenting during his failed 2012 run for president that the Palestinians are an “invented” people. Here, I thought for years my father had been a cook, but apparently he was an inventor. If Gingrich—who was simply parroting his then-benefactor Sheldon Adelson’s views—had engaged in the most basic of research, he would have found that most historians mark the beginning of the Palestinian Arab nationalist movement as happening in 1824, when the Arabs there rebelled against Ottoman rule.
When I was about 9 years old, my teacher asked about the ethnicity of each student so she could pin it on a map of the world. When she came to me, she was stumped.
The Palestinians, along with Israelis, have been through a lot, to say the least, since 1948, when Israel was created and the boundaries of Palestine were revised by way of UN Resolution 181. That moment immediately changed the destiny of countless Palestinians who until then had been living a humble life.
As most know, a war immediately erupted, resulting in hundreds of thousands of Palestinians being driven from their home or fleeing. Ironically, this war was waged by the surrounding Arab nations—Egypt, Jordan, etc.—which claimed they were doing it for the Palestinian people. But when Palestinian refugees sought to move into these Arab countries after the war, they often were met with horrible discrimination. In some instances, they would not be able to obtain government benefits, were not hired because of their ethnicity, or worse, were fired from a job because a citizen of that country wanted it.
To this day, many are relegated to overcrowded refugee camps, which still exist in the occupied territories as well as in Lebanon and Jordan, which is home to 22 refugee camps and millions of registered refugees per the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA). I’ve visited some of these refugee camps in the West Bank, and the Sabra and Shatila refugee camp in Lebanon. The Palestinians there don’t live in tents, as we see with the more recent Syrian refugee crisis. It’s more akin to overcrowded ghettos where dreams are deferred on a daily basis.
That’s the life of millions of Palestinians. They have survived upon the “kindness of strangers.” You see, there’s nothing that truly links Arabs across the region. Moroccans don’t have much in common with those in Dubai. Egyptians view themselves as leaders of the Arab world, while many in Lebanon, which is relatively close to Egypt in terms of kilometers, see themselves as more European than Arab. But sympathy for the Palestinians, on varying levels, is one issue that unites them.
My forebears didn’t flee their homes in Battir during the 1948 war. Since then, they have been under Jordanian rule and then Israeli after the 1967 war. They have endured intifadas and an often cruel military occupation. My grandmother’s land outside Bethlehem was even confiscated by Israeli settlers, who made it part of a Jewish-only settlement. Not because she did anything wrong but simply because she was the wrong religion.
In the 1950s, my father, along with many other Palestinians, immigrated to America in search of a better life. I’ve often wondered what would’ve become of me if I had been born in the West Bank instead of New Jersey. Would I have been able to go to college and law school? Would I have a job? Would I even be alive?
When I think back to growing up in New Jersey, I realize it was a far different time for Palestinians than today. Then we were generally unknown, almost exotic. Sure, the PLO was starting to grab headlines with its deplorable terrorist attacks, but the overwhelmingly negative images we currently see associated with Palestinians had not yet taken hold.
In fact, when I was about 9 years old in the late 1970s, my teacher asked about the ethnicity of each student so she could pin it on a map of the world. When she came to me, she was stumped—she didn’t know much about Palestinians, and of course she couldn’t find it on the map since it wasn’t there. Thankfully for her I’m also half Sicilian, and she found that easily, since most of my classmates were Italian.
Later that night, I relayed that story to my father and asked him: “Where is Palestine?” He paused for a moment as he gathered his thoughts. He then touched his heart and head and responded: “In here.”
I wonder what my response will be if I have children and one day they ask: “Where is Palestine?” Will I be able to take out a map and simply point it out, like most people do when they are asked about their heritage? Or will my only option be mimicking my late father’s answer? What’s most painful to me is not that those are my two options but that I feel powerless to change which answer I will be able to offer.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/31/yes-we-palestinians-are-human-beings.html
Jack: “Certainly there are exceptions within the Palestinian community that genuinely want to live in peace, but you seem to be implying they are the overwhelming majority and they are not. Recent polling shows 76% of Israelis in favor of a peace agreement with the Palestinians. Counter this with the fact that only 22% of Gazans would opt instead “to end the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza to achieve a two-state solution. And even fewer, contrary to other recent findings, pick a “one-state solution,” in which “Arabs and Jews will have equal rights in one country, from the river to the sea.” That is the preferred option of a mere 11% in the West Bank and 8% in Gaza. Generations of Palestinian hate is the force blocking a sensible peace agreement.”
Interesting stats, but they don’t support your claim. In fact, you left out the much more revealing parts of the same poll which tell us more about what methods Palestinians approve of, and also show very little support for Hamas:
“In this survey, when asked whether Hamas “should maintain a ceasefire with Israel in both Gaza and the West Bank,” a majority (56%) of West Bank respondents and a remarkable 70% of Gazans said yes. Similarly, asked if Hamas should accept Abbas’s position that the new unity government renounce violence against Israel, West Bankers were evenly divided, but a majority (57%) of Gazans answered in the affirmative.
Nevertheless, “popular resistance against the occupation” — such as demonstrations, strikes, marches, mass refusals to cooperate with Israel, and the like — was seen as having a positive impact by most respondents in both territories: 62% in the West Bank and 73% in Gaza. And in the week since the survey was completed, Israel’s shooting of several Palestinians and arrest of hundreds more in the course of searching for the kidnap victims may be turning the Palestinian public in a more actively hostile direction.
Both the kidnapping and a Palestinian hunger strike in Israeli jails have also maintained public attention on the prisoner issue. Asked what Israel could do “to convince Palestinians that it really wants peace,” a large plurality picked “release more Palestinian prisoners.” That option far outranked the others, each in the 15-20% range: “share Jerusalem as a joint capital,” “stop building in settlements beyond the security barrier,” or “grant Palestinians greater freedom of movement and crack down on settler attacks.”
HAMAS IS NOT GAINING POLITICAL GROUND FROM THE CRISIS
Most striking, and contrary to common misperception, Hamas is not gaining politically from the kidnapping. Asked who should be the president of Palestine in the next two years, a solid plurality in both the West Bank and Gaza named Abbas (30%) or other Fatah-affiliated leaders: Marwan Barghouti (12%), Muhammad Dahlan (10%), Rami Hamdallah (6%), Mustafa Barghouti (4%), Salam Fayyad (2%), or Mahmoud al-Aloul (1%). These findings strongly suggest that the Palestinian public as a whole has little or no desire to carry out any threats to “dissolve” the Palestinian Authority.
In stark contrast, Hamas leaders Ismail Haniyeh and Khaled Mashal rated a combined total of just 9% support in the West Bank and 15% in Gaza. Another intriguing finding is that Dahlan has significant popular support among Gazans, at 20%. Also notable is that not one of the other old-guard Fatah figures, such as Abu Ala, Nabil Shaath, or Jibril Rajoub, attracted even 1% support in either the West Bank or Gaza.”
And as long as those Palestinians are willing to put up with Hamas and its terrorist ways there will not be resolution.
“Sure, the PLO was starting to grab headlines with its deplorable terrorist attacks…”
That is when the story changed. Israel didn’t do that and Israel has little power to change it. The Palestinian people do and so far have not. Israel will be forced to take defensive measures until they do.
If you put it all in caps, does it make it true?
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Why-Fatah-may-decline-to-rule-Gaza-again-368515
If you support Israel this will make your day.
Anti-Israel Protesters Reportedly Target Jewish-Owned NYC Businesses in ‘Day of Action’ — but They Couldn’t Have Expected This:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/08/anti-israel-protesters-reportedly-target-jewish-owned-businesses-in-day-of-action-but-they-were-in-for-very-unexpected-surprise/
#21 Tina: “And as long as those Palestinians are willing to put up with Hamas and its terrorist ways there will not be resolution.”
I heard the problem is Hamas won’t allow an election because they know they would loose. So, the poor people are trapped and held hostage by a cruel government that won’t let them vote and is ordering them to stay where they are to be killed.
Israeli PM Netanyahu Exclusive Interview on Fox News Hannity (Part 1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWhBn3_8Io
Re #18 Chris :
This is a meaningless statement, used to justify racist policy. Even if you believe Palestinians are a recent invention without historical claim to the land, that does not change the fact that they are now a unique cultural group, and thus a “people.” Saying there is no Palestinian people is like saying there is no American people.
Utter nonsense! And up yours for calling it racist (and by extension me). Chris playing the race card is the usual bs I expect from this obnoxious left-wing a**hole.
“Palestinians” are not a unique, distinguishable cultural group and you cannot name a single valid anthropological study — much less a body of studies — that supports such an assertion. “Palestinians” are, in fact, indistinguishable from Arab Muslims anywhere else in that broad region. Chis has been bought and sold. He believes the political propaganda of a “Palestinian” identity, where there is none and then has the gall to call it racist when others point out that the term “Palestinian People” is actually meaningless outside of the political and tactical context of a fraud perpetrated by Arab Muslims and admitted to by the PLO back in 1`977. For Chris, this history simply foes not exist.
“2) The Muslims living in Gaza have no legitimate grievances whatsoever when they elect to power and support regimes whose sole purpose is to destroy Israel.”
“This is a completely monstrous notion.”
What truly is monstrous is that your and your fellow progressives think any progress can be with a terrorist organization whose primary stated goal is to destroy Israel. How does one even begin to sit down to any negotiation with that precedence on the table? Are you completely insane? You, sir, are a lunatic anti-Semitic bigot from idiot hell who expects Israel to accept the creation of a “Palestinian” state that seeks to destroy it.
By the way, just so there is no confusion, Chris asserts that Arab Muslims in Gaza have a “unique” cultural identity. By default this identity must include not only the desire destroy of Israel but the eradication of Jews. There is nothing “unique” here. For Chris, this is a “legitimate” grievance. The existence of Israel and Jews is unacceptable and it is perfectly reasonable for “Palestinians” to pursue a final solution.
I do not share this insane belief. Because I do not, I am labeled a racist by this ludicrous, obnoxious, and evil person. I have drawn the line.
Chris and his fellow racist, anti-Semitic, bigoted, progressives have chosen to side with their equally fanatical, blood thirsty and intolerant Muslim compatriots. Chris and progressives chose to champion those who would destroy Israel and desire to complete the holocaust. Fair enough. I have chosen an opposing view.
These are the people Chris and his fellow progressives champion —
“Let us remember that Israel withdrew all of its citizens, uprooted its settlements, and completely disengaged from Gaza in 2005. It wanted this new Palestinian state to succeed. To help it economically, the Israelis left behind 3,000 working greenhouses. They also disassembled four smaller settlements in the northern West Bank – a sign that they wanted to live peacefully, side by side with Gaza. And how did the Palestinians respond? They demolished the greenhouses, elected Hamas, and instead of building a state, says Charles Krauthammer in the National Review Online, spent most of the last decade turning Gaza into a massive military base brimming with weapons to make endless war on Israel.
Even more menacingly, Hamas built miles and miles of intricate, underground tunnels to hide weapons and extended these tunnels into Israeli territory so it could carry out surprise attacks against Israeli citizens. Since then, Hamas has indiscriminately launched over 2,900 missiles against Israel. The rocket program is one that Hamas could have stopped at any time and ended the current conflict.
[SEE: Cartoons on the Middle East]
But Hamas has a different measure of victory. It is in the court of public opinion. Hamas has a sophisticated media strategy. Former President Clinton captured it well. Hamas, he told an Indian television audience, has a strategy designed to force Israel to kill its own (Palestinian) citizens so the rest of the world will condemn Israel.”
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/08/06/israel-has-a-duty-to-defend-its-people-in-gaza
Pie at #29…thank you for finding that information about the 2005 agreement…I was looking for it myself. the before and after pictures are incredible…they turned it into a garbage dump!
Yes, it is racist to deny that there is a Palestinian people, just as it would be racist to deny that there is a Jewish people.
It is equally racist to assert that a precondition for being Palestinian is believing that the Jewish state should be destroyed, or that believing in Palestinians equates to supporting Hamas.
Both Palestinians and Israeli Jews deserve their own separate states. Saying that “there is no Palestinian people” and “no Palestinian nation” is not at all helpful to achieving peace–under this logic you would have to support a one-state solution, which is practically impossible and undesirable to both parties.
You will never successfully fight hatred with hatred.
Re #31 Chris: Are you really so obtuse and ignorant? Are all progressives fools like you? (Rhetorical.)
Dear idiot, Hamas was elected by the people in Gaza. Have you read their charter?
Hatred has nothing to do with it, but it has everything to do with you. You so hate Jews that you side with terrorists. But hey, who am I to complain?
Notice that turd tosser Chris did not challenge that there is no basis for his assertion that there are a distinct “Palestinian” people. He just tosses out and reiterates the racist slur. Like I did not see that coming.
When I think of what’s going on in Israel and the Gaza, I think of the difference between good and evil, and between right and wrong. I think of the Israelis who only want to live in peace, who don’t want to drive anyone into the sea and I think of the Palestinians and their death-cult religion, their venom and hate that corrupts their very souls until they willing send their children off to be suicide bombers. There can be no peace in Gaza until they stop teaching their children to hate and kill all Jews. -Jack
NOTICE of DISCLAIMER – The author of this comment recognizes that not all Palestinians are suicide bombers and Jew haters. Some Palestinians are no doubt very nice people who share the same vision of peace as Israel, then there is Hamas, with a child in one arm and an AK47 in the other.
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There is no moral equivalency. Sympathy for innocents is understandable but useless in addressing the fundamental cause of violence and death. There is no excuse for the actions of Hamas…none! They exist for evil purpose and will continue to exist until someone is forced to end them…the free world is getting close to that tipping point.
Do not understand how their minds can justify this.
Shocking: Arab mother hopes her baby will become a suicide bomber [VIDEO]:
Read more at http://allenbwest.com/2014/08/shocking-arab-mother-hopes-baby-will-become-suicide-bomber-video/#6GEpyCZJO3OhwPA8.99
Me:
“It’s unfortunate that the more ignorant Palestinian protesters are choosing to side with the leaders in Palestine in preaching hatred against Jews instead of doing something positive.”
“I recognize that Israel is in a difficult position because the threat from Hamas terrorists (see? I said the word and didn’t burst into flames! Does that make me a bad liberal?) is so pervasive.”
“Palestinian citizens have nowhere to evacuate to, and the deaths caused by the combo of Israel’s strikes and Hamas’ use of them as human shields only causes more radicalism and terror.”
“Both Palestinians and Israeli Jews deserve their own separate states.”
Pie Guevara:
“You so hate Jews that you side with terrorists.”
Does everyone see the problem here? Can anyone explain to me why it is acceptable for Pie to accuse me of hating Jews and siding with Hamas, given my clear, repeated assertions that I believe Jews are entitled to a homeland and that Hamas is an unacceptable terrorist organization?
Or is anyone willing to call him out on his lying strawman bullshit?
“Notice that turd tosser Chris did not challenge that there is no basis for his assertion that there are a distinct “Palestinian” people. He just tosses out and reiterates the racist slur. Like I did not see that coming.”
Your mistake is in assuming that your racist argument is worth engaging. It is not. It is prima facie stupid.
Jack: “When I think of what’s going on in Israel and the Gaza, I think of the difference between good and evil, and between right and wrong.”
Well, there’s your problem. Your black-and-white worldview prevents you from even beginning to see the conflict with any sort of nuance. You won’t engage with any criticism of Israel’s tactics, because to you Israel is the unambiguous good guy and Palestine is the unambiguous bad guy.
This is not how any war has ever worked. Sometimes in war, the good guys do some pretty horrendous shit. And we can support the good guys while still acknowledging and criticizing said horrendous shit. If we refuse to do that, we run the risk of justifying ANY collateral damage in service of The Cause. And that’s the logic of terrorists.
“We used to shoot and cry, as the old Si Heyman song says. Now we kill and justify. We have a case. Hamas is the governing agency in Gaza but diverts massive resources to building tunnels and rockets to try to kill Israelis, so Israel has no choice but to try to destroy them. They continue to attack us and Israelis are not willing to be terrorized, and since this is war, not a soccer game, we have no interest in a fair fight or proportionate response.
But it does not take a military expert to know that we are not doing our best to prevent civilian casualties on the other side. We are operating under a new moral calculus, which gives carte blanche to “collateral damage,” to killing any and all Palestinians who might be in the line of fire of targeted Hamas operatives.
We have made a choice to inflict pain on the people of Gaza and to blame the other side for the brutality of our tactics. And since a high proportion of Gazans are kids, this means that the Jewish state is murdering many children.
It is a horrible calculus, an evil and deadly calculus, and we will not come out of this war untarnished.”
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.607824